punkisundead [they/them]

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  • punkisundead [they/them]@slrpnk.nettoLeftism@lemmy.worldDiscussing Left Unity
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    I am not doing left unity. Sure there are some common grounds, but most often there are also clear incompatibilities. I do not think someone calling themself leftist is enough for me to work with them.

    Instead I want to be able to agree or compromise on these points:

    • shared vision for the future
    • what we want to do in a practical sense
    • preferences for managing relationships(like how to organize, etc)

    Of course this results in a pretty limited range of folks/groups I am happy to work with. In my case its mostly anarchists. But in singular contexts(like antifascist action and mutual aid) or in projects of limited scope like organizing a demonstration the alignement of these points is often enough for me to consider it.









  • I guess your comment is a good starting point for a discussion, because I disagree with many of your statements. Maybe its also because its tough to get as much nuance as needed in a comment, so I would acknowledge that you might have more nuance in your actual opinions.


    Any election with a significant difference between the candidates is worth voting in.

    There are lots of elections with very different candidates where the the result does not actually matter, even if the candidates are very different. The differences of outcomes can be heavily reduced by what the position is about and lots of societal factors such as compliance of institutions and general public discourse. Just wanting to add that, because while agree with the huge difference between both relevant candidates, their differences are not the only factors that decide what is going to happen.

    Also, it’s vital to pursue methods of improving the world outside of showing up to vote one day every couple of years.

    I dont think Harris is actually going to improve much. Being better than Trump is not an improvement, best case its just keeping a very shitty status quo from getting even worse.

    trick you into not voting.

    Nobody is tricking anyone here, voting is a decision people can and should make for themselves. There is no default correct, because not voting/abstaining is a valid choice in democratic processes. Yeah sure, we can debate if its the choice that is actually in the individuals best interests and so on.

    but I have a lot of trouble coming up with a reason why someone who cares about moving the world forward wouldn’t care whether or not we get Trump in charge.

    You are acting as if voting is the most effective way to stop Trump from getting in charge. I would say the person trying to shoot Trump was actually employing a way more effective method to reach that goal.

    Also just because someone isnt voting, doesnt mean they dont care. I think saying it like that is just plain unfair to all those people deeply caring and doing tons of things but maybe not voting. Their contribution does not hinge on whether they voted or not.






  • The only place you lost me is where you specifically are advocating for throwing away a powerful tool for making change.

    Voting is not a powerful tool to make change imo. It literally gives the chance to make change away to someone else.

    I think you can vote, and also do direct action.

    I think so too. You can do that. I wont and I will not change that for the foreseeable future, so instead it might be more useful to find the things we have in common and look for ways where we can cooperate to stop Trump while dismantling the current world and social order that is build on patriarchy and white supremacy.




  • throw some shade at these voting people, implying that they might not be willing to resist Trump.

    Well last time Trump won the voting people did not resist at large. Instead they waited around 4 years, voted him out and then again did not do much for 4 years again. What makes you believe they will resist in any meaningful way this time?

    I hope your not voting and hoping plan

    This just shows you are actually not engaging with me but with a straw person. This is something I never said and you know it.

    But everything you’re advocating as a strategy of stopping Trump from coming to power makes absolutely no sense to me.

    Which strategies you are referring to? I did not mention any specific ones in our discussions. It again feels like you are actually engaging with your perception of me and not actually my positions.