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  • People starved many many times in those places before the communist revolutions. People starved all over the world under many economic systems. Most of the time due to climate events.

    That is basically what happened in the two famines you are thinking of. There was extreme drought in Europe and Central Asia for decades, which did kill a lot of people. In Russia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and yes Ukraine. They also died in Eastern Europe, Southern Europe, parts of the Middle East. Just like many died in the US from massive droughts in the decade before.

    What you probably purposefully leave out is how there was never famine again in the USSR. People experienced better caloric intake than the US up until the collapse of the union and neoliberal shock-therapy brought hunger back.

    In any case, was there mismanagement during the famine of the 30s? Yea, of course.

    Was there sabotage by counterrevolutionaries? Yes, of course.

    Who is to blame? Not a single person, and likely not even people in general tbh.

    Almost all of this also applies to the famine in China.

    So idk, I know the OP doesn’t care and isn’t trying to look for an alternative to his narrative. But others who come in here might take something positive from the comments we leave.



  • … I’m talking about right-sector, azov, national corps etc. They were brought into leadership and legitimized as part of the national guard and army. That is inexcusable. You would really side with Nazis to defend “your country”? After the war is over, Ukraine will become an ultra-right wing state. The state apparatus will have been completely overtaken by these militias and groups.

    That’s like saying the UK should’ve legitimized and absorbed the British Fascist Party during WW2, made Oswald Mosley the minister of defense (which was done in Ukraine…) etc. That’s insane, but it does show how you liberals see the world. Scratch a liberal etc etc