Bernie Sanders, the Justice Democrats, the Working Families Party, and Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) are a failed experiment.

We need an independent grassroots movement by and for the working class.

Check out Workers Strike Back.

For those interested:

We need to build an organized, unified movement of working people to systematically take on the rich who run society, and to undermine their ability to rule. Our goal must be to both fight for radical change in the present and to bring down the billionaires and their system. There is no other path to avoid total disaster for human civilization and the planet.

Working people need to be clear about who our enemies are. Our enemies are not other working-class or middle-class people, immigrants, the poor, Muslims, trans people, ordinary Republican or Democratic voters, nor independent voters or nonvoters. Our enemies are those who make millions or billions of dollars a year, own the politicians, own the land and resources, and who call the shots in this system. Our enemies are also those who justify and protect the interests of the rich.

The billionaires themselves are fully responsible for the disasters engulfing us — Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, the healthcare CEOs, the major shareholders on Wall Street. It is not some collective “we” or “human nature” which is responsible; it’s the rich who put their profits ahead of everything and everyone. We need to end the billionaire class and their system once and for all.^[1]

The same source also stressed that the suggestion of Russian involvement remained a “theory” for the time being. “The proof lies with the [German] investigating authorities… there are many arguments to at least investigate that theory.”

Edit: Alt. Link: https://archive.is/57HnE

“It’s interesting. There might have been a little outside help but there is no proof.”

Israelis are from all over the world

The video is showing that the prime ministers were from Eastern Europe.

Second, only if you draw your line at some arbitrary point. Were Palestinians there 50,000 years ago? No, no they were not. Neither were Israelis.

Indigenous or less commonly indigenous : of, relating to, or descended from the earliest known inhabitants of a place and especially of a place that was colonized^[1]

Palestinians are the known inhabitants before being colonized.

Israeli state forced them to be refugees and they were moved to a small area.

Now Israel government is trying to bomb and force them out of the small area.

You’re ignoring what I’m saying. I said there are no indigenous people. You then said “forcing the indigenous people”.

We are all indigenous to Africa. No one is indigenous to Palestine. Not Israelis, not Palestinians. Both deserve basic human rights, including the right to live in the region, anyway.

I am disagreeing with your argument of trying to disregard the indigenous meaning.

Palestinians are from the Middle East; the Israelis are from Eastern Europe, which is explained in the video. That is a major reason why the prime ministers change their names, so as to fit their narratives and to continue their apartheid state and genocide.

It’s not strange or wrong in any way, and definitely not “evidence” of anything important.

It is important, and the video lays out why while also explaining the history and providing additional background.

Regarding the “indigenous” argument, it’s kinda silly. Humans are “indigenous” to the continent of Africa, and nowhere else. There are many other, more legitimate reasons why we should allow cultures to live, but who was there “first” is not logically one of them. Very, very few people in the world live where they “are from”, yet they are still legitimate citizens of their area.

Again, the video addresses the major difference between your argument and the one being explained in the video.

One is that Israel, an apartheid state, has been occupying the Palestinian people in an internment camp for over 50 years while forcing the indigenous people to become refugees.

You do not need to be “from” somewhere specific to deserve basic human rights.

Yes, the Palestinian people do deserve basic human rights, but the Israeli government continues to disregard the basic human rights of the Palestinian people while genociding them, with the full support of the United States government.

Oh, interesting.

Compared to Piers Morgan interviews, I thought it went well for Gary Stevenson.

He was able to articulate his points across to a greater audience in simple-to-understand terms while having the time to restate his thoughts in many ways.

Awesome!

I love long-form discussions!

It is a privilege to witness the speakers express themselves in multiple ways instead of gunning for sound bites due to artificial time constraints.

Yes, that is the problem with the duopoly (Democrats and Republicans).

Both parties continue to push for more forever wars where the working class is being sent to die, while the oligarchs continue to profit from these wars.

Both administrations, Republican and Democrat, will continue to support and fund the genocide in Palestine while pushing for war with Iran and China.

I understand, but we must continue to try and pressure him, like the person interviewing him, to be more direct in his actions by pushing him to the left.

Politicians need to be pressured and forced, or they will continue their status quo ways even when a genocide is happening.

Yes, we always need to work on ourselves and never stop learning and fighting our own biases, especially when talking to people that don’t think like we do.

Thanks for those words and for the reminder!

I agree, but that must start by putting pressure and forcing our politicians, who represent the people, to do our bidding.

But dang, that is one way to jump to conclusions

Being critical of what politicians do, vote on, and support will affect how people see them; these are recorded and can be seen, so pressure must be added as quickly as possible from past experiences.

To be fair, I don’t expect the us government to come out of this case having done the right thing

Yes, and that is why we can’t be apologetics or celebrity worshipers to politicians; we have to force them and pressure them to do the right thing.

Sabby addresses the issues we have with Bernie Sanders when it comes to Mahmoud and the others being detained.

Timestamp: 05:52 - 11:58

There is a special classification for genocide in certain laws; it gives states the legal right to intervene and to stop them.

Sabby shows an interview of Bernie Sanders with someone walking him through the steps of why addressing what is happening to Palestine as a genocide is important.

Sabby also ties it to another time when he dismisses the question or tries to avoid it.

Ah, my intention is not to alienate but to inform and to show that we need to directly criticize these politicians when they are failing their constituents.

Failing to uphold the demands of the working class is what resulted in two Trump terms.

Trump is a symptom of the problems our country has; many more like him will appear if we don’t force our politicians to do the bidding of the working class.

Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress. – Frederick Douglass

Thanks for explaining your point across in a simple and direct manner!

I see them as different groups, similar to how AOC used to talk about Biden.

AOC: ‘In any other country, Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party’^[1]

We don’t have a leftist party in the US; we need a grassroots movement of the working class to create one.

I am not for, nor do I try to defend, the duopoly.

Sorry for the trouble, and thanks for trying to explain your point, which I seem to struggle to understand.

Liberals and leftists are not the same.

Liberals are what Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. warned us about.

The White liberal is the worst enemy to America and the worst enemy to the Black man. Let me first explain what I mean by this White liberal. In America there’s no such thing as Democrats and Republicans anymore. That’s antiquated. In America you have liberals and conservatives. This is what the American political structure boils down to among Whites. The only people who are still living in the past and thinks in terms of “I’m a Democrat” or “I’m a Republican” is the American Negro. He’s the one who runs around bragging about party affiliation and he’s the one who sticks to the Democrat or sticks to the Republican, but White people in America are divided into two groups, liberals and Republicans…or rather, liberals and conservatives. And when you find White people vote in the political picture, they’re not divided in terms of Democrats and Republicans, they’re divided consistently as conservatives and as liberal. The Democrats who are conservative vote with Republicans who are conservative. Democrats who are liberals vote with Republicans who are liberals. You find this in Washington, DC. Now the White liberals aren’t White people who are for independence, who are liberal, who are moral, who are ethical in their thinking, they are just a faction of White people who are jockeying for power the same as the White conservatives are a faction of White people who are jockeying for power. Now they are fighting each other for booty, for power, for prestige and the one who is the football in the game is the Negro. Twenty million Black people in this country are a political football, a political pawn an economic football, an economic pawn, a social football, a social pawn… – Malcolm X

I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection. – Martin Luther King Jr., Letter from the Birmingham Jail

Well, there is a difference between liberals and leftists.

Again, this is the difference between revolutionaries and reformists.

In the final verse, the liberal narrator of the song establishes he used to be a socialist, but has now “grown older and wiser”, and rejected more radical left-wing politics in favor of liberalism. Liberalism is a political disposition which is opposed to, and not synonymous with, Leftism (socialism, communism, etc). The idea that liberalism is synonymous with Leftism is a recent phenomenon more or less specific to mainstream US politics since the widespread suppression of the radical Left in the 70s and 80s (as well as the spread of the global “neoliberal consensus” since the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the German Democratic Republic, and the capitalist reforms of China under Deng Xiaoping).^[1]

It seems to me that you are the one trying to preach to the choir.

I did not use “real leftists”; you did.

Teaching and informing people is required so as to be revolutionaries instead of reformists.

I’ll go focus on actionable things, and support leftists that take action.

A quick search into what Sabby Sabs and I advocate (and try to inform people of doing) would absolve you of that notion.

On my user profile:

Mantra: “We should focus our actions, time, and resources on Direct Action, Mutual Aid, and Community Outreach… No War but Class War!”

Sabby has a Mutual Aid chapter in Boston.^[1].

Fake leftist

I think you are confused.

We are to the left of Bernie; you are to his right.

purity test

“People that volunteered and helped him in 2016 and 2020 have sadly learned the extent of his ‘radical’ policies and how far he is willing to fight.”

We have experiences about how far he is willing to fight the status quo and to truly address working-class struggles; the video points this out in a simple-to-understand manner with receipts.

Again, if you understand this, you would know that we are to the left of Bernie Sanders; it is not that hard to figure out.

Again:

P.S. Being an apologist and celebrity-worshipping does not help push the causes of the working class; it only hinders them and helps keep the status quo.

You reminded me of this song:

[Song] Phil Ochs - Love Me I’m A Liberal [04:39 | Country, Satire, Politics, Folk | https://youtu.be/0nFvhhCulaw]^[1]

“Love Me, I’m A Liberal,” is a criticism of liberals, as liberals often superficially support things such as civil rights to appear compassionate, but actually reject any action that would upset the status quo. This song is Phil Ochs’ demonstration of his hatred of the liberals, who he views as hypocritical.

In the final verse, the liberal narrator of the song establishes he used to be a socialist, but has now “grown older and wiser”, and rejected more radical left-wing politics in favor of liberalism. Liberalism is a political disposition which is opposed to, and not synonymous with, Leftism (socialism, communism, etc). The idea that liberalism is synonymous with Leftism is a recent phenomenon more or less specific to mainstream US politics since the widespread suppression of the radical Left in the 70s and 80s (as well as the spread of the global “neoliberal consensus” since the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the German Democratic Republic, and the capitalist reforms of China under Deng Xiaoping).

Essentially, the song is a critique of liberalism from a leftist perspective, using the satirized view point of a 60’s American liberal.

Jello Biafra and Mojo Nixon did a 90’s-themed updated version that can be found here.

It’s also worth noting that the tune of this song incorporates parts of the melody for the traditional song ‘Rosin the Bow.’ You can hear it very clearly in the first three lines of every verse.^[2]