This one right here. ⬆️

Uhhhhhhhh…

Most wholesome greentext.

This is a very important point, yes.

You’re right, but I’m confident he’ll get there in the end.

The person you’re arguing with made the point that if you hold the ones who voted against the bad thing happening as partly responsible, by the same logic, you should hold people who voted for Clinton in 2016 partly responsible for the election of Trump.

I don’t think you can have it both ways. Either the entire USA including you is responsible for Trump becoming president and the entire SCOTUS is responsible for today’s ruling, or you’re not responsible for Trump winning and the three dissenters are also not responsible for today’s ruling.

I get that you’re angry, and it’s a good day to be angry, the day that they ended democracy, but maybe be more selective about who you’re angry with and sometimes try to check if maybe there are some valid things people can disagree with you about.

More treasonous than inciting armed insurrection?

Surely Trump just appeals to the SCOTUS and they free him in line with today’s ruling?

Democracy in the USA ended today. It will be in the history books about the end of democracy.

He won’t. Too honourable.

Wise person: “Those who do not know history’s mistakes are doomed to repeat them.”

Actual Nazis: Great idea. Let’s burn some books.

WIN.
Er, for my friend.
Yesss.
I mean yes.

Whilst I don’t disagree with your facts, I disagree with your tone.

It’s really understandable for EU folk to be angry with us. Our newspapers are toxic, the BBC promotes Farage and we were always going for British exceptionalism, with Brexit being the ultimate act of We’re Better Than You sentiment.

Me, you, 48% of the then voting public, Scotland and NI didn’t buy it, correct, but genuinely the right approach to EU irritation with the UK is apology, not “stop being mean” and not “it wasn’t my part of the UK”.

We’re not out of the woods yet. Britain’s most unelectable politician of all time, with nine losses in hand-picked constituencies may well win Clacton because the stupidly corrupt Conservative party couldn’t keep their stupidly corrupt MPs honest. How “we’re not a bunch of racist loonies” is that going to look across the channel? Yes, a bunch of us are going to turn away from the stupid racist Conservative party, but a lot of them are going to turn to the even more stupid, even more racist, even more anti EU Refuse UK Party.

There’s absolutely no chance of us getting a fishing exception. That was highly contentious when we were one of the big three EU countries. No way would they agree to that whilst also letting us back in after throwing all our toys out of the play pen.

If a kid throws their ice cream on the floor, giving them another one soon afterwards doesn’t in any way teach the other kids not to throw their ice cream on the floor. This is very firmly a “no ice cream for you then” situation. I think labour realise they if they tried to rejoin, they would get a very rough ride indeed from the EU with massive amounts of playing hardball and that the best they can hope for in the next five years really is some softening and smoothing of the deal for being cooperative. We agree to fund EU science a bit, they let us back into erasmus, that kind of thing (although specifically not that).

But joining the EU takes a decade or more sometimes, and the “but it’s really very simple, we follow most of the EU rules already because we’re a former member” is as stupid as the “oven ready deal” and “German car manufacturers will insist we get a great deal” nonsense.

It was. A lot of right wing loonies in the EU dropped their leave the EU stance because everyone around the EU saw what a stupid and annoying thing it was to leave.

Of course we do, but it ain’t gonna happen. Best you can hope for is the custom union in seven to ten years’ time.

My friend was wondering if you could would feel the same way if it was a man, you know, out of interest, and whether if it was, say, completely at random, a guy in his late twenties with curly black hair and a slight beer belly but he’d be willing to reciprocate so in some senses he’d be the best of both worlds, if that were of interest to you. He was wondering. My friend. Entirely hypothetically. Uhm…

Really, really not a problem. Just checking. I didn’t spot it the first time and it changed my perspective but not my answer.

Good, good, yes, but I stand by finding it interesting.