Say there was a mentally disabled human who did not recognize themselves in a mirror. Would it be ethical to jam metal pipes down their throats and force feed them until their livers become diseased? Or cut their throats and tear their livers out? If not, why is it OK to do this to ducks and geese?

Farmed animals are slaves to humans

Black people were once considered animals by slave owners and were given no rights. People who sold slaves were just following the laws of supply and demand too. The market isn’t a great arbiter of morality, there’s plenty of horrible things people will pay for, including the diseased livers of tortured ducks and geese. Doesn’t make the product ethical just because someone will pay for it.

It’s pronounced cash. It’s a dumb name for the restaurant. It’s a restaurant in Little Rock, Ark. Overpriced, animal abusing establishment.

It’s a false dichotomy, leave them on farms or leave the in the wilderness to die. Sanctuaries treat cows with dignity instead of objects for profit.

There will be more cows existing at any one point in time if more people don’t go vegan because of the population increase. It would take less resources to let the cows alive now live out their natural lives and there not be any cows anymore in 20 years than to continue sexually abusing them, forcing them to reproduce, then killing 30 million of them a year in the US alone. There’s 91 million cows in the US right now, it would take less resources to let them live out there lives and there be no cows in 20 years than if there are over 91 million cows in 20 years. The population will decrease from 91 million down to around 0 in 25 years whereas if people keep eating cows, there will be over 91 million cows consuming resources in 25 years.

This utopia scenario is a fantasy, but it demonstrates an important fact that if we breed less cows, less resources will be used and there will be less of a toll on ecosystems. The ways less cows will exist is if humans stop reproducing as much and/or go vegan. The numbers will decrease gradually the more that people go vegan.

If this were not the case and the numbers were natural, the planet would be consumed by cows in a short number of years.

The reason there are so many cows is because people are breeding them into existence. There are far more cows now than there would be if people were not eating them. I’d rather be extinct than be sexually abused by humans, have my children killed at a fraction of their lifespan, and live in filth like most cows do.

Instead of breeding more animals, we should let the ones alive now live out their natural lifespans and stop breeding them. But as long as people keep buying animal products, breeders will keep breeding the animals.

I agree 100% with you killing aquatic life is bad for ecosystems and the animals themselves.

Saying the cows are born to die is arbitrary. There are cultures that consume dogs and cats for food, the same could be said about them.

If a serial killer was impregnating human women and stealing their babies to eat them, the same could be said about the babies the serial killer was eating. That they were just born to die.

Vegans don’t consume any land or marine animals. Veganism is a philosophy concerned with avoiding harm to animals as far as possible and practicable.

It’s not a philosophy of complete non-harm since that isn’t attainable for most people with the social obligations they have.

Any argument for plant sentience is an argument for veganism since according to the USDA, animals consume over 70% of soy and 40% of corn in the US (humans only consume 10% of corn directly). Corn and soy are the two largest crops. Not only does buying animal products kill the animal for that product, but amplifies crop deaths from all the crops they are fed and are inefficiently converted to flesh. You can be vegan and not eat mushrooms. 95% of plant biologists are in agreement plants are not sentient. If they were, still makes sense to be vegan.

If a person isn’t vegan, it’s not what they eat, but who. Some people don’t give a fuck about other people being racist, not caring about shit is the norm.

Same was said about whites against abolishing slavery.

Cows can live up to 20 years but the average age at slaughter for cows killed for their flesh is about 1.5 years.

If my religion is not paying people to chop baby animals heads off then I’m glad I’m religious and not another pos carnist.

Can I get her #?

I think your first point is an appeal to futility argument. It’s also a good reason to be vegan as crop production to feed animals requires more labor, more injuries. In fact, slaughterhouses are some of the most dangerous places to work. Back to the victims though, there’s no respectful way to kill someone who does not want to die - be it a deer or a human. It was part of white culture to wipe out indigenous people and own slaves and there were many whites in the civil war who died trying to protect the institution of slavery which was a part of their culture. Oat milk is based, I encourage you to go vegan.

The dairy industry kills cows, the egg industry grinds up baby male chicks alive.

Do you understand that poem was written by a vegan who lived over a thousand years ago?

That refutes your claim veganism is a modern moral stance since it’s been practiced over a thousand years. There were practicing vegans in major world religions even before then.

I do know I’m a modern human. If you’re implying that because I’m a modern vegan, veganism is a modern moral philosophy, that’s like saying a Model T Ford is a modern vehicle if someone today drives one around.

There’s no greater privilege than thinking you’re so important as a human, a sentient beings whole existence is worth less than 15 minutes of your taste pleasure. That’s actual privilege, most vegan staples (lentils, tofu, chickpeas) are cheaper and have more protein than animal products.

Do you think gassing animals to death and cutting their heads off is abusive? If so, by your own definition, you’re are an animal abuser if you’re not vegan. And if you don’t think gassing animals to death and cutting their heads off is abusive, that’s some pretty serious mental gymnastics.

I don’t have to win you over. Either you’ll understand not being vegan is abusive to animals or not. I don’t buy your gaslighting that you going vegan is dependent on you liking me or not.

To use a modern, Western, privileged, moral stance on something humans have been doing for millennia is just silly.

You are diseased in understanding and religion.

Come to me, that you may hear something of sound truth.

Do not unjustly eat fish the water has given up,

And do not desire as food the flesh of slaughtered animals,

Or the white milk of mothers who intended its pure draught

for their young, not noble ladies.

And do not grieve the unsuspecting birds by taking eggs;

for injustice is the worst of crimes.

And spare the honey which the bees get industriously

from the flowers of fragrant plants;

For they did not store it that it might belong to others,

Nor did they gather it for bounty and gifts.

I washed my hands of all this; and wish that I

Perceived my way before my hair went gray!

Al-Ma’arri: AD 973 – 1058 A vegan Arab philosopher and poet who lived in what is Syria today

If you think animal abuse is wrong, then being vegan is the only right decision to make.

Unlike most religions, veganism is based on reality - the reality of ubiquitous animal cruelty in factory farms and slaughterhouses.

It’s impossible to force another person to be vegan since it is an ethical philosophy. Being vegan requires the belief that supporting unnecessary animal cruelty is wrong, not just following a plant-based diet, and the action of not purchasing any animal products that aren’t necessary for one’s survival. In practice, it is a boycott and an effective harm reduction strategy.

Because non-vegans purchase the products of violence, vegans are forced to pay taxes that go on to subsidize animal agriculture or face imprisonment and live in communities with reduced accessibility in food systems. It’s not the other way around. Think of all the advertisements for animal products a person who is against killing animals sees on a daily basis that are paid for by your dollars when you buy dead bodies and secretions from fast food corporations.

This idea that the animals rights movement is forcing people to follow plant-based diets is ridiculous, and if you’re not vegan, you’re forcing animals to die. I didn’t force you to watch this video. I hope your conscience compels you to do better for animals that are suffering because of you, and if you do decide to cause less pain and suffering to them, that’s an internal force.

The breeders for small scale goat and cow dairy operations supply factory farms in most cases. Buying starter animals from these places keeps them in operation. Animals cannot consent to giving their bodily secretions to humans. Chickens will often eat their own eggs and it improves their health. Cow milk is for baby cows, not humans.

If you buy any animal products from a grocery store, they’ve come from what you would think is a factory farm. Vital Farms Eggs for instance labels their eggs small family farm sourced, ethical, free range. But the farmers they source from still grind up baby male chicks on their first day of life because they can’t lay eggs. They gas the hens once they stop laying enough eggs.

[https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko ](This is a documentary called Dominion, it shows the reality of animal agriculture)