Yeah, romans began to use soap at roughly year zero. I wonder why. I wonder why people use deodorant every day, when they just can spray water under their arms.

now try doing that with hair. or your hands after vivisecting a corpse, and then delivering a baby. clean up feces and vomit, and then try to get rid of the smell without soap.

every farm worker that works with life stock knows what i am talking about. ever worked on an engine, then tried to clean your hands with water or oliveoil?

I guess the oil has merits, since certain oils DO have detergent properties.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abe7275

But if you’re looking to have your mind blown, take a shower and just scrub your skin with a brush, loofah or the palm of your hand and be amazed when you still get clean. If you’re really grimey, you can do what the Romans did and rub yourself with olive oil and scrape it off with a scraper before doing that.

I will try that, thanks.

You are right about one thing: if you are healthy, the skin will provide everything it needs to take care of itself. you ever wondered why kids don’t stink, have easy to wipe bottoms, and don’t need to wash their hair every day, and what have you? its because they are not yet broken like adults are. yes, it is also the hormones; but if you have an adult that really stinks up the place after taking a shover, chances are that their metabolism is out of whack; the skin is full of microorganisms, and they have a kind of balanced relation ship with the skin. if this gets thrown, certain microorganisms will overtake the others, and produce smells like crazy.

As such, we had ways of dealing with that well before we had soap and people didn’t just immediately switch.

That logic is hard to dismiss, that is sure interesting. you are absolutely right. I wonder what they did.

Early soaps were used for the preparation of textiles rather than personal hygiene.

I guess they used it to clean absolutely everything. because soap loosens up fatty bonds. thats why using disinfectant does not get rid of the dead bacteria; they are still on your hands, albeit dead. soap does not kill most of germs, but thy are unable to cling to the skin.

I was in poor regions of africa multiple times; the poorest of the poor would use soap when they could. people are poor, but not stupid. if what you said would work, they would do it, but they buy soap instead.

wikipedia:

Roman Empire

Pliny the Elder, whose writings chronicle life in the first century AD, describes soap as “an invention of the Gauls”.[22] The word sapo, Latin for soap, likely was borrowed from an early Germanic language and is cognate with Latin sebum, “tallow”. It first appears in Pliny the Elder’s account,[23] Historia Naturalis, which discusses the manufacture of soap from tallow and ashes. There he mentions its use in the treatment of scrofulous sores, as well as among the Gauls as a dye to redden hair which the men in Germania were more likely to use than women.[24][25] The Romans avoided washing with harsh soaps before encountering the milder soaps used by the Gauls around 58 BC.[26] Aretaeus of Cappadocia, writing in the 2nd century AD, observes among “Celts, which are men called Gauls, those alkaline substances that are made into balls […] called soap”.[27] The Romans’ preferred method of cleaning the body was to massage oil into the skin and then scrape away both the oil and any dirt with a strigil.[28] The standard design is a curved blade with a handle, all of which is made of metal.[29]

The 2nd-century AD physician Galen describes soap-making using lye and prescribes washing to carry away impurities from the body and clothes. The use of soap for personal cleanliness became increasingly common in this period. According to Galen, the best soaps were Germanic, and soaps from Gaul were second best. Zosimos of Panopolis, circa 300 AD, describes soap and soapmaking.

so thats why soap is one of the oldest chemical inventions : because you dont actually need it. pure luxury.

has to be old bud spencer and terrence hill movies, pretty popular in germany. I know there is a couple of them, but they are all pretty much the same anyway. ;-)

i totally agree with you. but the chance that he is also malnourished anyway is pretty great, given the circumstances. Kids are pretty harcore. he is worrying about his hair, not about the bombs.

curly grey hair is vitamin deficency. he will recover once he eats right.

Other factors could also contribute to the greying of hair, including nutrient deficiencies, or medical conditions.

yes.

No, i asked for the past. ancient times.

most men nowadays who talk about “men hunting” are fat slobs who couldn’t hunt a chicken with a limp ;)

thats sounds like anectdotal evidence ;-)

no, that does not answer my question. but thanks

but this is what I complain about. but yeah, i went over the rails, you are right. you have a point.

in that other thread, i mean, where the crosspost is, they talked a lot about patriarchy and stuff.

and i wondered: if women in the past were hunting and thus using their skill like men do and yada yada, not gender roles like today and stuff, does that mean that there was no patriarchy back then?

women are excellent long distance slow pace powerhouses.

I like how they are lumping hunting and trapping in one pot

it is just an example how gender stuff infitrates siences like archeology and anthropology.

“It assumes that males are physically superior to females”

I hate how this is presented. I have vitamin deficency and i am really weak and lost a lot of weight, but i am still able to lift objects most women would not get of the ground. I weigh 64 kilos. that is not that much for a man.

this does not make me superior. it is just like it is.

I want to know how women like it to hunt while pregnant, having a baby on their hip, or small whiny children in tow.

give me a break. men evolved to hunters because the women told them to hunt.

they did not want to have them sit around and chew the fat with the children.

show me ONE women who says the she is worse than her husband in child rearing.

right, that will never ever happen. maybe if we have a drug addict or a severely cancer ridden person, but no.

women will die to have their children around. they will not go hunting if there is someone else that wants to do it.

or jail, but honestly, he seems unghinged in a threatening way.

i mean, like, i wouldnt trust him buying cat food for my cat, and he is former president of the united states, for f**k’s sake

if you dont know the answer, money is the answer

yeah, i was surprised, i live in europe, you know, i dont know anything. so i was watching this conservative panel, and they were all saying that they realized he does not have the same ethics as them at all, it was comical how they tried to explain it to the MAGA people.

thanks for links, thats a good read

I wonder how his people hope to deal with his condition at work? trump belongs in a rehabilitation clinic, he sounds like he is on autopilot

thanks for the explanation, i will watch the video link you gave me.

but really, i watched a couple of speeches of his, and i just could not grasp what he was talking about. it was like listening to a rambling drunken friend, that you have to bring home, and you yourself are sober.

yes, it was not about the temperature so much, but about the constant pressure by the tightness of the jeans.

women have the same for breast cancer: bras have an impact on breast cancer. the more you wear, the higher the risk to develop breat cancer.

WHAT

something with the education and upbringing must be f up, if young men are impressed by him

is this based on facts? the last thing i saw of him was a train wreck, he can’t pull of a 2 !!! minute interview

doesnt change the misleading title. i was in a sauna the first time at age 5 or 6. that can be pretty daedly