Even like to argue about how to relive the tension! Oh well I still think things are moving forward, maybe a lot of this is the backlash of all the moneyed interests against the people.

Well I guess I hope they die off soon then huh!

Right, because half of america is racist. Got it. Good take.

It sort of makes sense if you see it as trying to salvage Israel as a partner, although a lot of people, myself included, would rather just cut ties with Israel altogether.

I will admit it is especially embarrassing on the global stage, but I guess the US is t the only country right now dealing with some nonsense.

I wonder if the propaganda from other nations is really that good or if we really just love to argue.

Yeah I think probably me saying “big business” is overly broad.

I almost always use that to mean big companies that use their size unfairly in the marketplace, and I’m not just talking about how production of scale works.

I do think that we need to really open up the global market, this competition by country is sort of ridiculous, but I’m not going to pretend I understand it all enough to prescribe a solution.

I see a lot of up votes so there’s gotta be people who agree, but this sentient is rare in the comments here.

For the record, I agree.

Y’all need to figure out how to regulate your emotions better.

Is everyone posting in this thread an alcoholic or something?

I’m starting to think the takeaway from this entire post is how irrational and emotional Americans are, regardless of who they support.

Wow imagine that someone might not have all the time you do to research politics in America. Or maybe they just aren’t smart enough right?

How are so many replies here full of this blind nonsense.

Did it ever occur to any of you spoiled fucks that politics usually ranks below:

1. Work
2. Taking care of family members
3. Cleaning/maintaining property and equipment
4. Spending free time with family
5. Taking care of personal medical conditions

You can’t imagine a single person who say works 2 or 3 jobs and has no time left for politics? Oh right they should probably just know already who’s the right person to vote for, huh? How stupid they must be right?

And then y’all use that as evidence the country is going to shit and full of stupid people. Y’all are so fucking arrogant and none of it is earned.

Why is it so important that everyone vocalize exactly how reluctant they are to vote for Biden? Has his administration really done so poorly? I understand the frustration with Israel but that has more to do with us as a country historically as well as with how strong our ties with Israel are. I don’t know how fast everyone expects us to break all those bonds, and they somehow expect there to be no backlash either?

Apparently patience is just gone in the internet age.

Some people are actually torn between the two, their close family and community lives are so intermingled with both that they actually are both seen as reasonable choices and are waiting to hear more about them to make a decision.

I don’t see anything wrong with people waiting to see the candidates speak unassisted for nearly 2 hours in a rapid fire debate setting where they had to:

1. Lay out their vision for the future
2. Defend past decisions since both were/are president
3. Handle the juvenile bickering that is bound to happen

Its one of the most honest and open displays of exactly who these candidates are, and even though I was already likely to vote Biden, I do feel better after hearing his IDEAS and THOUGHTS despite how he said them.

True, most global brands are garbage, but I do see a lot of stuff locally thats sprung up to fill interesting niches. I still think the community of people who say “fuck big business, and fuck endless greed” is a growing bunch so I’m hopeful.

It helps for me to watch what the generations after me are doing, and they are doing a fine job fighting for progress in my opinion.

I don’t have a lot of inner details about amazon but I do know that they have peaked already as far as retail goes. I don’t know when, I just know its happened already.

Amazon is no longer any of the following:

1. The cheapest deal
2. Filled with reliable reviews
3. Filled with trustworthy companies

And on top of that, their product search page is to the point where not even the advertisers are having a good time. The end users (buyers) stopped having a useful interface a while before that.

Its easier now for me to avoid amazon simply because they aren’t the best deal by nearly any metric any more.

It does seem absurd that this stuff is tried in front of supreme court justices.

Could we do something like you say that involves experts in the field weighing in on the pros and cons, and costs?

Is it that the supreme court justices shouldn’t hear these cases at all, or that they are just so corrupt they can’t rule fairly?

I honestly have no idea what point you were trying to make here.

I personally dont attach nearly as much importance to the actual person filling the presidential seat, so much as the organization that backs and supports them. We all know trump literally will say anything to gain republican support and Biden is the spokesman for the democrats to gain support.

The point is that trump and Biden could both pass tonight, and the people who replace them will have the exact same goals and ideas. Its not just about the person who wins president as it is about the group we want to run the country.

So no, its not malaria and stage 4 cancer, its a mosquito bite vs a bee sting, for all the difference it makes between the two. We are voting for republicans or democrats, not Biden or trump.

Do people really think the president sits there dictating what everyone else is doing like some extravagant conductor?

They are fucking salespeople, client relations managers, public relations people. Trump didn’t bring a single original idea to his own campaign and people are frustrated with Biden because he won’t take a principled stance and instead just parrots back how his party feels (see Israel).

Well, Biden doesnt stand alone, he didnt come up with all these ideas himself, he’s just leading the party. Its not really that important who leads it, the ideas aren’t going to change.

If its more likely their party wins with another candidate then fine but it seems just as risky as not changing to me.

We are forced to choose.

So is it malaria or stage four leukemia?

Easy fucking choice to me.

Wall yourself through the process of creating this third party. Let’s say its this leading edge european-style-leftist party that cares about people, for real this time.

This party starts growing slowly, but where do the people come from? Maybe some people who avoided politics altogether until this new party came along, but most people will likely come from the Democratic party.

So the party is building and the democrat party is shrinking, while the republican party stays the same. They may even see some growth from the “fracturing” of the Democrat party. They start winning more and more elections as instead of a race coming out 46% to 44%, it comes out 46% to 36% to 10%.

That ratio keeps building in favor of the new leftist party, but we lose seats and elections every cycle. And then eventually (maybe stupidly hopeful?) The new left party completely takes over the democrat party which ceases to exist.

Now we are back at a two party system, but have lost the country for maybe 5, 10, 20+ years? You could argue this is a better idea than what we currently do, which is try to change the party you are part of slowly over time with voting and campaigning, but I personally wouldnt say that myself.

Or maybe we are stuck with the two parties we have.

For a third party to appear, one of the current ones has to fracture. Neither party is willing to do that because fracturing your own party guarantees the other party wins due to FPTP.

Right now especially, noone trusts the republicans to run the country while the democrats re-sort themselves into their new parties.

Even then, it might be those two Democrat parties splitting their own vote for many elections to come, essentially conceding the country for a decade or more.

If the parties we had now were more moderate and closer together on everyday issues, it wouldnt feel like picking between shit and poop, it would feel like choosing between vanilla and chocolate ice cream, which both are valid and good and have their own merits.

Americans aren’t stupid, we are frustrated, and in some states there is still a strong pressure from religion, school, and government that causes people to learn the wrong ideals, and in some cases complete falsehoods. My favorite is the states that contradict themselves or avoid logic at all turns.

We recently had a state pass a law including the ten commandments in every classroom in the state, but the approved list they are putting up is ELEVEN items long.

I was probably all over the place in this reply but I hope I made some sense towards your post.