I’ll be honest, seeing this sudden shift to openness talking about this when knowing how controlled the narrative is even here, makes me think this might actually be part of the narrative they’re now trying to push.

I could definitely be wrong about that, but I’ve seen this brought up here a few times and even last night there was an AskReddit about what Americans would feel is the final straw to have Trump removed from power.

I actually was talking about this in a post a few days ago. If Vance suddenly succeeded Trump as president, it would not fix anything, and it would likely make things much worse

Trump manipulating the stock market!!! Say it ain’t so!

Well I am shocked, I tell ya, absolutely shocked! 😧😣

Just throwing this out here to remind people that the Department of Homeland Security, DOJ, and DOD have all made some very alarming threats to employees they believe are speaking to the press. They also seem very eager to remove or weaken civil rights protections for everyone, including American citizens.

DHS Secretary Noem has complained that offices of civil rights within DHS interfere with the DHS mission on immigration. However, only two of the three offices Noem has attacked, deal with immigration

The third office is the office of civil rights and liberties within the DHS, and applies to all civil rights issues regardless of immigration or citizenship status.

Noem’s attacks against Civil Rights Offices within DHS were made following statements that she plans to use polygraphs on ICE employees

You should be aware that many current ICE employees are federal employees who were removed from previous positions and have been diverted to ICE.

Diversion of federal employees is seen by many as a highly politicized move that first began in early February and seemed to be a blatant act of retaliation for January 6th investigations. Like a punishment for federal employees that they couldn’t force to quit or legally fire.

Despite the fact that polygraphs are known to have high false positives rates, Noem said she plans to use polygraphs to root out individuals leaking information to the press. Noem’s threat was followed by similar threats made against employees of the Dept. of Justice and Dept. of Defense.

Basically they are trying to crack down on dissent. Federal employees are witnessing them violate the law from the inside, and trying to warn the country what they are doing. If anyone should be charged with treason it should be the people actively dismantling democracy. Unfortunately, those are also the people who run the same country they are trying to destroy.

I don’t think it’s snarky. I agree with you, but I also really have no faith in elected representatives doing what they’re supposed to.

Specifically, this election and the Senate confirmation hearings are what make me say I wish we could have more say in cabinet positions.

I’m in Louisiana and one of my senators was literally the deciding vote for RFK’s fitness. It sounds naive now but I actually had faith he would do the right thing. Even though he’s a Republican, he’s also a doctor. He’s spoken out in the past about supporting vaccines and stood up to Republicans on the issue.

I watched the hearings and heard RFK say things I know my senator disagrees with. Many people in Louisiana, including myself, wrote him an email saying we were glad to have someone like him in the position to make such an important decision. Yet, he decided to fall in line with his party even though he had every reason not to.

Since we can’t trust elected officials to be the safeguard they’re supposed to be, I think we should have more say in who actually gets selected for cabinet positions.

I don’t think it’s a good idea to let a president pick his cabinet. I feel like allowing people to vote and create a list of candidates for the president to select a cabinet member from would be an ok compromise vs either letting votes decide or keeping the current nominee/fitness BS that is purely theatre at this point.

If this country actually survives this apocalyptic BS which is a giant fucking question mark, whoever the next president is, will need to be willing to actually fight for this country without giving a fuck about re-election or pleasing donors.

I don’t know if the answer is to pack the court or to just pressure the shit out of the judges to do the right thing, but we all should have revolted when citizens United happened. I don’t think anyone really understood a group of billionaires that have been thirsting for power for decades could take advantage the way they have, but that’s on us and now we are definitely paying the consequences.

If they can overturn Roe V. Wade when so many Americans were actually against the decision, they can overturn citizens United, and we should be raising hell until they do.

I think that’s most people’s view, but if you honestly think it stops with control of the U.S. you’re in for a surprise. The only way to stop this is through uniting against oligarchy.

The Heritage Foundation has affiliates established in all 50 states and world wide. They’ve been planning this shit for decades. Similar to how everyone knows Putin would never stop with Ukraine, he will take and take until he has control of all of Europe and eventually global control if he has his way. These people will never be satisfied with control of the U.S., their ultimate goal is global domination.

Idk if you’ve heard of Deloitte and all the shady shit tied to their “consulting group” and the CIA/FBI?

This administration is trying to get rid of Deloitte, but not to “drain any swamps.” It’s to replace them with their own group.

Not sure what country you’re in, but word of advice, be on the lookout for Guidehouse consulting. These fuckers are everywhere, and trying to offer their consulting services to all levels of government. I literally just learned while typing this, that despite the fact the economy is in the toilet, on top of the billions in contracts the U.S. govt already has with Guidehouse, the Army announced yet another multi million dollar contract yesterday. Wonder what that’s all about?

Today me, tomorrow you.

It definitely would be nice to have more voter involvement in VP and cabinet picks.

I feel like even if people couldn’t be motivated to vote against Trump in the election, it would have been a lot easier to unify people to vote against someone like RFK Jr. for health secretary.

If we can never have any choice other than a 2 party system of Republican and Democrat, maybe we could at least start having something like a mixed cabinet, so that the policies and mandates being created are more representative of different ideas on different issues instead of any single ideology.

I agree we need more checks and balances to power grabs, but the people in charge want less bc they claim it only prevents them from doing what needs to be done to help Americans.

“Your life would be so much better off if we could just cut through all this red tape. It’s not the tariffs that are destroying the economy, it’s the regulations that are keeping change from happening.”

Soon it will be “You’re starving and your children are dying, because of red tape. These judges blocking my orders are screwing everything up. If you want things to get better, we must remove the corrupt judges that are hindering progress.”

If he needed to be elected, I agree 100%. But since he’s VP, he assumes the presidency if Trump is no longer president. His lack of charisma doesn’t really stop him from doing anything.

A few months ago when he was arguing that judges shouldn’t be able to interfere with the president’s executive power, he was arguing what right wing Harvard law professor Adrian Vermeule has been arguing for a long time.

Vance and Vermeule believe that the constitution should be interpreted to enforce law and order rather than to protect liberty. Vermeule has written extensively about the legal architect of the Nazi agenda, Carl Schmitt. Schmitt used legal means to grant Hitler unchecked executive power. He argued that it is the job of the leader to protect the law, and because of this. Führerprinzip essentially allowed the German constitution to remain in name only and placed Hitler’s will above all written law. So, because it was Hitler’s will, when he began proposing genocide as necessary for the good of Germany, there were no legal means to stop him from carrying it out.

This is why Vance argues against federal judges. It’s not that he doesn’t understand checks and balances, it’s that he wants to destroy them. He wants an Americanized Führerprinzip, that will allow the executive power legal authority over all written law.

He hopes that if he normalizes that idea and pushes it enough, eventually others will accept it as common knowledge. Vermeule and supreme court justice Alito are also Catholic integralists, and believe that medieval inspired Catholic faith should be the basis of public law. Alito flew a flag in support of the Jan 6 insurrection attempt. His judicial decisions and most of the right leaning members of the SC almost always side with Trump. He would definitely sell this country and argue the constitution allows for something like American Führerprinzip if it also meant Catholic integralism would be adopted by those in power. There are also several powerful Catholic integralists involved in the Heritage Foundation and project 2025.

I really think Vance converted to Catholicism so recently bc he knew that it would make him more attractive to the Catholic integralists. It seems like Peter Theil may have been the main reason he did.

Sorry to ramble, but the T.L.D.R. if you want to see the scariest aspects of project 2025 come true (like the IRL handmaid’s tale) without any legal means to stop them from happening, then Vance is your man to get the job done.

I’ll say, it wouldn’t fix anything. Vance is way more psychotic and calculated. He’s actually waaaay more dangerous than Trump.

Vance combines the philosophy of a Nazi legal theory loving ivy league elite like Adrian Vermeule, with Curtis Yarvin, and Peter Theil. In a lot of ways I think Trump buffoonery keeps people distracted from a lot of their evil shit, but I also honestly feel like Trump’s ego demanding he always be the focus of attention, is acting as a chaotic buffer to keep their plans from working out as smoothly as they would like. I think Musk was even probably more of a distraction than we realized, and the only reason he’s becoming less involved is because Kratsios is able to do just as much awful shit that nobody wants but look normal by comparison to the chainsaw wielding maniac that was proudly getting like 7 hours of sleep a week. I’m honestly not sure if Theil set him up once again like he did with PayPal. Or did Musk know he was just the face that would take the blame for holding the country hostage while robbing us of money that will now be sunk into an absurd number of AI projects with Thiel’s protege at the helm as Science Advisor?

I wish we could just get the entire dishonest administration removed from office, but we can’t even get most members of the House and Senate to acknowledge they’re actively trying to destroy the United States because they seriously believe their loyalty will be rewarded. Bc the fuckers that plan to replace everything with shitty AI would definitely never be able to replace them.

Don’t take it personally, China. He feels the same way about the majority of Americans including his own family. He’s got a chip on his shoulder bc he grew up among the peasant class, made it to the Ivy Leagues and has desperately been trying to claw his way into a social level he’ll never be accepted to bc he wasn’t born into it.

From his POV you’re either a peasant, or you’re an elitist. Unless you’re part of the 1% of billionaires and generational wealth. Somehow that makes you an average Joe, and that’s why you benefit the most from Vance’s policies and “beliefs” (whatever he may need them to be in the moment).

Vance is not dumb, but he certainly acts like a useful idiot.

I just meant in terms of repeating the 1920s, we skipped all the cool shit they did and jumped straight into the depression. I guess the wealthy though still get their hedonism similar to the 20s

Also, I think it depends on where you were raised in the 90s/2000s. I grew up in the deep south going to a southern Baptist church, so the reactionary attitude while being a complete hypocrite behind closed doors is nothing new to me.

Probably also why it makes me so reactionary to the reactionaries. Like I cannot accept the shit that I finally escaped from is now trying to take over the globe, and some people actually think maybe it won’t be so bad/maybe they can reason with it if they fall in line.

Fair point. Just to be clear though, I don’t say “right” in support of tarriffs, I say, right in terms of not accidentally multiplying the damage by 4x the original plan.

Although, now you got me thinking maybe the 4x worse damage wasn’t even an accident.

There’s a bioscience company with some really shady gov ties that was one of the only vaccine manufacturers that didn’t completely tank in the stock market last week when FDA cuts were announced.

Over the last year their stock has been going down, but last week, it was up a little compared to companies like Moderna and Pfizer. Not by much, but it seemed weird the company actually announced a buy back of their own stock.

It would be interesting to know if the majority of shares were bought back before or after the giant crash. If it was before the crash, that would mean the company would be kind of fucked over by their own buy back. If the majority of shares were bought after the crash, that would be an odd choice but I guess if they mysteriously make a recovery it would be a win.

Probably by getting judges who are simply willing to acknowledge corporations aren’t people.

Yup citizens United was the beginning of the fucking end.

Well when they want to work together instead of grinding us up and using us for biofuel we can talk, but until then I will stay angry and be demanding they give back all the shit they are stealing from me, which was less than I deserved to begin with.

We didn’t even make it the full decade. We did the whole pandemic thing but just passed on a new Jazz age with interesting new music and style, said no thanks to the libertine philosophy, and decided to fast forward 5 years and let this dusty old turd and his lame wrecking crew of Christian nationalists and the least intelligent pack of nerds that has ever existed, nose dive us right into the fucking ground.

There’s no way this motherfucker couldn’t just hire somebody to do the tariffs math right. He literally had all the money to hire the most talented people bc he’s just been stealing it from us constantly. Instead he and his crew are such cheap little shit stains that they decided to just have AI handle it and fuck it all up as always. And now their big master plan is to dump whatever fucking money is left into more AI!?! Because they still don’t fucking comprehend that’s not the God damn solution to everything!?!

Fuck I hate these dumb fucks so God damn much

God, I bet all of history’s previous dictators are just shaking their heads while they burn in hell because this guy is such a fucking joke.

These people aren’t even giving us the minor concessions. They’re actively taking away the shit that we are more than entitled to and exploiting us at every opportunity while reassuring the people that somehow still don’t see the truth that eventually there will be a big pay off for their continued loyalty.

It’s like just sit and wait patiently in this burning building. I’ll be back to rescue you eventually. I understand it’s getting hot, it’s a little uncomfortable for all of us right now. I know you want oxygen, but I NEED this oxygen mask so I can save us all from the fire I started by fucking around with these matches.

I know, right as Musk is “backing away” from his role aiding the president.

Almost makes you wonder if that whole Trainwreck was in part a distraction so we would let our guards down with him gone. I feel like even if Musk does actually step away, Theil has had Trump’s ear since his first term when he picked several people to serve in his science cabinet including Kratsios. I am not 100% sure on this, but I also suspect he was likely involved in getting Trump to pick Vance as VP.

I do know that Yarvin was a mentor to both Vance and Theil and the three have been close for a long time. It’s an odd group and weird as hell to imagine being stuck in a room with those 3, but somehow their friendship has lasted.

Also a reason none of us should breathe a sigh of relief of Trump ever decides to step away from the presidency. Trump is a toddler with an automatic weapon, Vance is Patrick Bateman with a Sniper rifle and some very scary connections to not just Yarvin and Theil, but also people like Adrian Vermeule.

It’s part of the heritage foundation/SPN bullshit to recruit people at the state level to push federal policy

Maybe elected officials that keep defending this moron out of some kind of false sense of protection can take hint?