PARIS—“Do I really have to answer that question? I’m certainly not voting for the person leading the Republican Party.” That was the response of communist icon Angela Davis when a journalist asked about her intentions for the 2024 U.S.
Nobody asks you to fix America, they asked you what choice you would make.
Here are the options:
-You can vote for a candidate that represents 10,000 people dying
-You can vote for a candidate that represents 5,000 people dying
-You can abstain and guarantee that the candidate that represents 10,000 people dying wins.
These are your options. There are no other options. So maybe you value your own personal moral integrity more than the lives of 5,000 people, but any reasonable person will see that the second option is the only viable choice if you actually want to be decent.
I thought the reason why you guys had guns was for this kind of situation. Use them. A governement that gives you the choice between genocide and genocide sounds tyranical to me.
Cool man, you successfully recognized that class divide exists in the US just as much as anywhere else and that the ruling class are a minority whose decisions don’t represent the working class. Kudos to you for your next-level observation skills!
Here’s the thing though: even if we do spark up the fires of revolution tomorrow, you know what? It’s probably gonna take more than a month. In the meantime, there is still going to be an American president and there is still going to be an election the fate of which will still have real world impact immediately, including in regards to the Palestinian genocide. Which means even if we’re marching up on the White House in victory 8 months (imagining an impossibly best-case fictional scenario here) for now we still have the weight of the choice for President and the inordinate amount of very real lives that decision impacts, both domestically and abroad. So again, any decent person will make the moral choice for harm reduction; whether they acknowledge more needs to be on the personal level to solve the greater issues or not.
Stop letting your childish hateboner for America steal all the blood flow from your brain.
Look I understand your pov. Just realize that from the outside it sounds like you’re throwing the “third world” under the bus. Like everytime. US external policy never ceased to be shit so don’t be suprised if foreigners are bothsidists.
Again, you’ve successfully recognized that America puts its own interests before the interests of foreign nations, same as everywhere else.
For all the shit the world likes to give America for acting like the world police or arbiters of society, rightly so btw, ya’ll keep expecting America to act different too. If you think America is deceptive or evil or whatever in our attempts to be the world police, then just stop believing the lie. Don’t expect America to be any more altruistic than any other nation and I think it all makes sense. Imo there is no “third world”; people are mostly the same everywhere. Every nation is selfish and every nation is dealing with some level of corruption - so why in the world would you begrudge the people of America for trying their hardest to at least do what they can to reduce the harmful impact of that corruption?
That’s more of a general human trait than an American one. Yes, Americans are very fond of their exceptionalism, but valuing the lives of your own tribe and kin more than those of others is something most mammals share. I dont want war anywhere in the world. I hope you have a nice day.
That’s exactly the problem, no one can force Netanyahu to do anything. He’s complety off his rocker. He’s doing everything to stay in power, because the moment he’s not, the courts will go after him. That’s why he’s trying to appease both those pushing for peace (Yes, I actually mean Biden here) and the warmongers (Israeli right wingers). Notice how he hasn’t gotten all the hostages back? That’s on purpose. The longer the war goes on, the better for him.
Now, who do you rather want in the White House next year? A feeble old man who will go along with everything Bibi says? Or an experienced prosecutor who can put her foot down?
I’m sorry for your friends. They need to leave, now. If war came to my doorstep, that’s what I would do.
That’s exactly the problem, no one can force Netanyahu to do anything.
US government is supporting israel fascist government, they could have prevent the genocide by simply not arming israel to death and gifting them billions. They can still persuade israel government to stop by simply stopp aiding them but they are doing the opposite.
Please. When the serbs did genocide the NATO bombed Belgrade. Kadhaffi was gone in a week. You’re telling me the US doesn’t have leverage against Israel? Come on now. Quit giving them weapons otherwise you guys are complicit, as simple as that.
Dude, I understand that America is fucking awful right now but don’t bullshit about shit you don’t understand… Some people are just paying lip service or stalling but Bernie is really fucking trying.
US libs value Americans© lifes more than us nonyanks. Well I’m ever asked the same question, I will not show any solidarity with them. I hope you guys get the civil war you started in so many foreign countries.
So no actual answer then?
Look I’d buy some nutella and spread it on the ballot. I want to pass a message but I’m classy like that.
Anyway nobody’s asking me lmao fix your goddamn country.
Nobody asks you to fix America, they asked you what choice you would make.
Here are the options:
-You can vote for a candidate that represents 10,000 people dying
-You can vote for a candidate that represents 5,000 people dying
-You can abstain and guarantee that the candidate that represents 10,000 people dying wins.
These are your options. There are no other options. So maybe you value your own personal moral integrity more than the lives of 5,000 people, but any reasonable person will see that the second option is the only viable choice if you actually want to be decent.
edit: formating
I thought the reason why you guys had guns was for this kind of situation. Use them. A governement that gives you the choice between genocide and genocide sounds tyranical to me.
Cool man, you successfully recognized that class divide exists in the US just as much as anywhere else and that the ruling class are a minority whose decisions don’t represent the working class. Kudos to you for your next-level observation skills!
Here’s the thing though: even if we do spark up the fires of revolution tomorrow, you know what? It’s probably gonna take more than a month. In the meantime, there is still going to be an American president and there is still going to be an election the fate of which will still have real world impact immediately, including in regards to the Palestinian genocide. Which means even if we’re marching up on the White House in victory 8 months (imagining an impossibly best-case fictional scenario here) for now we still have the weight of the choice for President and the inordinate amount of very real lives that decision impacts, both domestically and abroad. So again, any decent person will make the moral choice for harm reduction; whether they acknowledge more needs to be on the personal level to solve the greater issues or not.
Stop letting your childish hateboner for America steal all the blood flow from your brain.
But I was about to hatecum :( meanie
Look I understand your pov. Just realize that from the outside it sounds like you’re throwing the “third world” under the bus. Like everytime. US external policy never ceased to be shit so don’t be suprised if foreigners are bothsidists.
Anyway stay safe.
Again, you’ve successfully recognized that America puts its own interests before the interests of foreign nations, same as everywhere else.
For all the shit the world likes to give America for acting like the world police or arbiters of society, rightly so btw, ya’ll keep expecting America to act different too. If you think America is deceptive or evil or whatever in our attempts to be the world police, then just stop believing the lie. Don’t expect America to be any more altruistic than any other nation and I think it all makes sense. Imo there is no “third world”; people are mostly the same everywhere. Every nation is selfish and every nation is dealing with some level of corruption - so why in the world would you begrudge the people of America for trying their hardest to at least do what they can to reduce the harmful impact of that corruption?
That’s more of a general human trait than an American one. Yes, Americans are very fond of their exceptionalism, but valuing the lives of your own tribe and kin more than those of others is something most mammals share. I dont want war anywhere in the world. I hope you have a nice day.
Then please write your politician to tell them to force netanyahu to calm his tits.
My gf have friends in lebannon. She have friends from gaza. She hurts.
Please?
That’s exactly the problem, no one can force Netanyahu to do anything. He’s complety off his rocker. He’s doing everything to stay in power, because the moment he’s not, the courts will go after him. That’s why he’s trying to appease both those pushing for peace (Yes, I actually mean Biden here) and the warmongers (Israeli right wingers). Notice how he hasn’t gotten all the hostages back? That’s on purpose. The longer the war goes on, the better for him. Now, who do you rather want in the White House next year? A feeble old man who will go along with everything Bibi says? Or an experienced prosecutor who can put her foot down?
I’m sorry for your friends. They need to leave, now. If war came to my doorstep, that’s what I would do.
US government is supporting israel fascist government, they could have prevent the genocide by simply not arming israel to death and gifting them billions. They can still persuade israel government to stop by simply stopp aiding them but they are doing the opposite.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel–Hamas_war
Please. When the serbs did genocide the NATO bombed Belgrade. Kadhaffi was gone in a week. You’re telling me the US doesn’t have leverage against Israel? Come on now. Quit giving them weapons otherwise you guys are complicit, as simple as that.
I’d love to. Alas, all political power vested in me is in the form of a ballot. And I’ve already voted not to make the situation worse.
That’s bullshit. That line of thinking makes you complicit with the atrocities committed in your name.
Voting is absolutely not the only way to make your voice heard. Quite the opposite. You ate the carrot, you’re still obeying the farmer.
In my name? The only atrocities commited in my name are the ones I committed myself. And I certainly wouldn’t call those atrocities.
Sure, I can go out and protest, which I do.
All right my friend Im sorry for lashing out at you. Take care of yourself <3
I’ve done so, Peter Welch is solidly against genocide and Bernie Sanders is trying congressional wizardry to try and cut off arms shipments.
Yeah you guys have been trying for a year now. Maybe stop trying and do something.
Dude, I understand that America is fucking awful right now but don’t bullshit about shit you don’t understand… Some people are just paying lip service or stalling but Bernie is really fucking trying.
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-sanders-and-colleagues-move-to-block-arms-sales-to-israel/
I know he is mate but I do not believe the US governement will lift the pinky.
Admitting gaza is a ghetto would be admitting putting indians in reserves wasn’t cool either