“They censor us, but it doesn’t change the truth,” he said before telling a whopper of a lie about his mama in a new ad. "Joe Biden’s open border is killing Ohioans, with more illegal drugs and more Democrat voters pouring into this country.

“This issue is personal,” he added. “I nearly lost my mother to the poison coming across our border. No child should grow up an orphan. I’m J.D. Vance, and I approve this message because whatever they call us, we will put America first.”

The only problem here is that he lied. As a nurse, JD Vance’s mother stole prescribed medications from her patients, and that was not because of undocumented immigrants. Vance got the community note routine on Xitter.

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    I don’t think that’s technically a lie. His mother almost died due to her opiate addiction. Opiates are being smuggled across the border. He could have been a little clearer but he’s saying that he wants to stop the smuggling of opiates because he knows how harmful they are from personal experience, not that his mother almost died specifically due to those opiates that are being smuggled across the border.

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      "I nearly lost my mother to the poison coming across our border“ sure sounds like lying to me. There’s clear omission of key facts leading people to the wrong conclusion.

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        It would have been clearer to say “I nearly lost my mother to the sort of poison that is now coming across our border,” but he’s recording an ad and he needs to be concise. I would agree that he was being misleading if he was trying to use his mother’s addition as evidence that opiates are being smuggled from Mexico, but he isn’t. (It is a widely acknowledged fact that a lot of opiates are smuggled in from Mexico.) Therefore even if some listeners do assume that his mother was addicted specifically to Mexican opiates, that doesn’t substantially affect their understanding of what he’s saying.

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          Are you auditioning for the Olympic Mental Gymnastics team or something? He lied. The end.

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          Yes it would’ve been clearer but that’s not what he said, he almost lost her to the poison that IS coming over the border (emphasis is mine). That is a lie.

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          It is a widely acknowledged fact that a lot of opiates are smuggled in from Mexico.

          Then you shouldn’t have any trouble providing a citation or two? Otherwise, this is as weak as it gets…

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            Here’s an excerpt from what the DEA is saying:

            The Sinaloa Cartel and the Cartel Jalisco Nueva Generación (also known as CJNG or the Jalisco Cartel) are the main criminal organizations in Mexico, and the most dangerous. They control clandestine drug production sites and transportation routes inside Mexico and smuggling corridors into the United States and maintain large network “hubs” in U.S. cities along the Southwest Border and other key locations across the United States.

            The scope of the Sinaloa and Jalisco cartels’ control over each segment of the criminal drug trade has effectively eliminated any competition in U.S. markets, and enabled cartel members to establish a presence in every U.S. state

            Source. Warning, it’s a long PDF.

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              I’m sorry, I don’t see opiates mentioned. Also, DEA is a questionable source at best. Their job is to create the war on drugs, not end it

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                  Oh, my bad, I forgot Biden started the DEA, and no, I’m not going to be fucked to read it

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          Why are you defending a fascist liar who intentionally lied? Lol like adding a word was too much, he just didn’t have time!

          You are going to get all sorts of shit defending a liar. One can only guess why you’re doing it. Hmmm, I wonder

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          It would have been clearer. But he didn’t word it that way. He worded it VERY VERY specifically to direct racial hatred at “dirty druggie Mexicans” using the most textbook of textbook definitions of lying.

          Take them at face value when they are explicitly saying what they mean. This guy is a raging racist prick.

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          Its not widely accepted…back when his mother was addicted to opiates it was likely “China white” in that area of the country; likely imported from the middle east / asia. Heroin coming from mexico has historically been the “black tar” variety.

          Thats if she was taking heroin. If it was Rx opiates she didn’t need to go further than her pain doctor back then. The rules have changed a lot over the years but 10 years ago she would have been able to get those filled by her provider.

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              Thanks for context, I could not be bothered to research anything about this guy. Glad his mom found recovery but the specifics here make it even more ridiculous how he is tying his moms substance use issues to the proverbial boogeymen south of the border.

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          Let me know how cartel fentanyl got into our medical supply and then I’ll be concerned. Til then, go defend fascists somewhere else.

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            I don’t give a single fuck about fascists. I care about fucking addicts. Pretending she only took prescriptions she stole and never interacted with anything else is absurd.

            Don’t lose your humanity to shit on a fascist.

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              I’m not losing my humanity, it’s an integral part of shitting on fascists. This fuck head’s solution to the fentanyl crisis is to kick out and lock out immigrants. The vast majority of people caught smuggling fentanyl are US citizens. Explain how stirring racist tensions is gonna fix that.

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                That solution is both useless and insane. Also horrendous. Not gonna defend that.

                We don’t need to misunderstand addiction and how opiate addicts work to stunt on cunts.

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      “JD Vance’s mother stole prescribed medications from her patients”

      Please show me how this is related to illegal drug imports, borders, Biden, etc.

      JD Vance’s mother was a stealin’ junkie, plain and simple.

      #JDVanceCrimeFamily

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      Opiates are primarily being smuggled by American citizens for the opiate addiction they aquired due to the over-prescription of opiates for care fueled by Perdue Pharma.

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      He could have been a little clearer but he’s saying that he wants to stop the smuggling of opiates because he knows how harmful they are from personal experience, not that his mother almost died specifically due to those opiates that are being smuggled across the border.

      Could have been a little clearer? He blantlantly tried misleading the listener. That’s called a lie. He lied.

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      That’s a lot of gymnastics to give Nazis the benefit of the doubt. They know exactly what they are doing.

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      Huh, maybe she shouldn’t have been working for a hospital which, according to you, dispensed to their patients opiates that were smuggled across the border.

      If only there were a politician trying to build a medical system that supported patients and secured jobs for medical workers so that they wouldn’t feel the need to use illegal narcotics! And if only that politician were part of a party that tried to get help for people with drug addictions instead of labeling them a criminal, thus causing societal pressures that sent people spiraling into dark lonely corners that harm entire families.

      Alas, such things sound far too productive and positive, so we should instead promote victim-blaming, vote for a wannabe-dictator, and perpetuate lies that deflect problems with local solutions onto “others” for state-funded oppression programs.