• lennybird@lemmy.world
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    7 hours ago

    Watching the divide in republican circles on Iran has been a great way to see who is under Kremlin control. Most are who we already knew: Tulsi Gabbard, Tucker Carlson, Rand Paul, etc.

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      7 hours ago

      Yeah the entire US intelligence arm, really any public intelligence period, etc.

      I vehemently disagree with those folks you mentioned but gotta say, not wanting to get involved in another war in the Middle East built on outright lies doesn’t make them Kremlin controlled. It’s other things.

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        7 hours ago

        I’m just saying that it’s amusing the only anti-war Republicans in the administration and Congress are ones who’ve long looked, acted, and quacked like Kremlin assets:

        • You’ve got Tulsi Gabbard literally echoing Kremlin propaganda verbatim on Western imperialism (yet not making a peep about Russia’s invasion of Ukraine)
        • You’ve got Tucker Carlson flying to Moscow, simping for Putin, trying to show how great Russia is in contrast to the USA.
        • You’ve got Rand Paul flying to Moscow hand-delivering letters on behalf of Trump.

        There may be an intersection of my desire to not want to escalate for completely different reasons, and Kremlin operatives not wanting their ally and arms supplier to be crippled, but that is all.

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          All of those things you mentioned? Exactly what I was referencing earlier.

          Definitely a fair point with one of Russia’s key military suppliers potentially being crippled, I agree. There have been other republican detractors in congress who don’t fall into the same boat and, again, I’m not sure I can really fault Gabbard (in this very specific context mind you) for just reiterating what the US’ own intelligence is saying.

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      3 hours ago

      This is just “the anti Vietnam War protestors are secretly working for the soviets” for the modern era. There were just as many conspiracies that left liberals were secretly agents of Moscow in the 60s.

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          Yeah, and there were plenty of left journalists on the payroll of Moscow in the 60s. They tended to cover the civil rights movement and anti-war movement very positively, does that mean the leaders of those movements were also secretly agents of the communists?

          Has there been any proof that the people OP mentioned have any connection to putin? Don’t get me wrong there all horrible people, but it’s not because there “Russian assets” and if they’re gonna go against this God awful war then good on them.

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            I mean, many of those leaders were communists… But not agents of the Soviets, which was a convenient accusation tho

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      5 hours ago

      Anti-war people being consistent in their anti-war stance somehow means they’re Putin’s puppets.

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        Oh, so Tulsi Gabbard definitely 100% publicly denounced Russia’s unprecedented act of aggression and imperial invasion of Ukraine, right…?

        … Right… ?

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            3 hours ago

            To the contrary, I am conflating the fact that the alleged “anti-war” person (your words) suddenly wasn’t “anti-war” when Russia invaded Ukraine as being a Putin puppet; that, and the fact that US intelligence reports found that Russia was promoting Tulsi as the Democratic primaries candidate in 2020, among other things.

            Bystanders take note how this individual is trying really hard to separate Tulsi Gabbard from the Kremlin. Like, really hard. Deflections and all.