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    8 hours ago

    Obama fixed things by making a treaty with Iran, and got the Nobel Peace Prize (though not in that order which was a bit weird, but whatever)

    I don’t understand how anyone could be so blatant about their own mental gymnastics.

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        Ah, sorry a lot of folks here are getting a bit wacky with apologia, and I could see them actually putting forward the nobel peace price as an argument for Obama not being a war criminal, so I did take it a bit too seriously. Poe’s law I guess. My apologies!

        That said, he is a war criminal though, and I feel like you’re cherry picking little bits out of all the presidencies to confirm your point.

        Here’s an example in the other direction, maybe it’ll help you see how unconvincing an argument you’re making:

        • Clinton: illegal bombing of Yugoslavia, sanctions in Iraq that have been estimated to kill 500k children.
        • Obama accelerated the drone program, killing 10s of thousands of Afghanis. Under his leadership, and entire wedding party was murdered in Yemen. Pledged 3.8 billion dollars a year for a decade in military aid to the apartheid ethnostate Israel as they were regularly bombing the Gaza strip. Pledged not to persecute the CIA operarives who carried out the torture of uncharged civilians.
        • Trump withdrew from Afghanistan.
        • Biden sent 17.9 billion dollars in nilitary aid to Israel as they were carrying out the genocide in Gaza. Bombed Syria.

        You’ll note that I omitted Bush. He was really bad. Like, Hitler bad. Not a redeeming quality about him.

        At any rate the point is that every single president since Eisenhower, every single one, no exceptions, has been a war criminal, and pretending that any one of them was pro peace is a joke.