• queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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    20 hours ago

    Netanyahu?

    Although it’s not like Trump is some puppet on a string. The whole US government wants war with Iran and it has for my entire life. There doesn’t need to be some secret master behind this (Israel, Russia, whatever)

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      20 hours ago

      Lol Netanyahu is not Trump’s master, he’s his business buddy.

      The guy thinks like an 80s caricature of a business man. He wants to build resorts in Gaza so he cozies up with Israel. Plus there’s oil and natural gas in Iran. Iran is a friend of China which Trump desperately wants to look strong against.

      He doesn’t care about Israel or Palestinians (or anyone for that matter) he couldn’t give two shits. If the roles were reversed, he would cozy up to the power in charge.

      I’m not saying he’s a great strategist, I think he goes with the opportunities and jumps on them when he can and he takes a lot of miscalculated risks, exactly like he run his other businesses.

      But one thing for sure, he asked Putin before he did launched his pew pews on Iran.

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        18 hours ago

        Do you think Biden wouldn’t have done the exact same thing to “defend” Israel?

        This is clearly about Israel and the long-time desire for war with Iran in the US government. Blaming Russia is, frankly, absurd.

        Trump certainly would like to have Putin as a business buddy, he’s an 80’s deals guy after all, but there’s no business here that benefits Russia so that’s also absurd. Russia does not benefit from Iran’s collapse. This is very bad for Russia.

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          16 hours ago

          Biden wouldn’t have voided and left the Iran nuclear agreement (that he himself helped to negotiate and put in place) though, which was the stone that got all of this rolling in the first place.

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          18 hours ago

          I’m not blaming Russia, I’m not saying Dems were not gonna side with Israel. You asked if Putin wanted the strikes on Iran. I’m saying there’s no way he wasn’t on board.

          Does he like it? I don’t know but one thing for sure is he knew about the strikes and agreed to them. With all that Trump did to benefit Putin up till then, no way in hell he didn’t ask permission to do that move…

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            17 hours ago

            And I’m saying there’s no way Putin wants Iran to be bombed, and so therefore this was done without his permission or knowledge.

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      16 hours ago

      Yup. When have established powers ever liked a revolutionary government? We don’t have to like the type of revolution Iran underwent to acknowledge that it was a radical revolutionary government in the literal sense of the term. No country on Earth has a form of government like Iran’s. It’s pretty unique. Any time a decent sized country tries is taken over by revolutionaries who attempt a radically new form of government, they receive immense opposition from the old powers. All of Europe declared war on France for chopping the head off their king. Every western government embargoed the people Haiti for daring to violently overthrow their slavers. An expeditionary army of numerous capitalist powers invaded the nascent Soviet Union to try and shut it down. And Iran has been under massive sanctions since they dared to throw their western-backed dictator out by force.

      Established powers always try to clamp down on any kind of revolutionary government. It’s not that they fear the government itself; they fear the ideas that government represents. Iran needed to be punished. It needed to be embargoed into poverty. They couldn’t just let Iran try out its new form of government and let them sort themselves out. Because if Iran can overthrow a western-backed puppet and seize control over their own natural resources? Well that’s an idea that could spread far and wide.

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        9 hours ago

        After existing since 1979, Iran’s government is pretty far from “revolutionary”. In fact, looking at their domestic policy, I’ll call them reactionary without a second thought.

        Their most “revolutionary” thought probably was: “let’s export our theocracy to other lands”.

        They are a symptom however. The shah was so unpopular (read: repressive) that islamists were able to take over. The shah was propped up by the UK and US in the 1950-ties, in a coup, because Iran nationalized oil industries.