Green hornet, the boys, preacher; those he managed to wreck the characters bad enough that or was no longer the same thing. Production values were high, but when you start fucking around with making major changes to characters, you’re changing so much that any minor changes you might have to make in an adaptation for it to work on screen turn into glaring flaws.
I tend to use the example of Butcher finding out his wife isn’t dead, and that the baby is still alive too. At the end of the first season, that happens, and it undermines Butcher’s entire character arc, his motivations, and doing that means so many events that are driven by his obsession and trauma fall flat.
There’s other examples, and I’m aware that Rogan didn’t make those decisions in isolation, there were other people involved. And, if that kind of poor decision making had been limited to one project he was involved with, or had been limited to less pivotal facets of the stories, I wouldn’t blame him as much.
But he also was doing interviews and hyping the hell out them, talking about loving the original comics, including trying to get existing fans on board while claiming the projects were going to stay true to the original. But all the projects kept in the boys and preacher were the shock value aspects, which shows a lack of understanding the source material.
For all the flaws in the source material of both those shows, they were character driven, with fairly clear plot development linked to who those characters were/are. So the versions that made it to screen are full of holes because the choices and actions are no longer believable.
It’s this whole thing lol.
Invincible lacks the production level interference of the boys or preacher, and didn’t change actual characters the way green hornet did. Which, hornet at least didn’t pretend to be the same green hornet, so it holds up better than the other two.
Yeah, not that The Boys is super easy to adapt in the first place, but his wife being alive is such a major change for his character. It’s also a change that has clearly impacted the plot line for the show, as it’s kinda just meandering (at least as far as I’ve watched). The moment you remove that driving force, it puts a lot of pressure on the writers.
Exactly. All the screen writers have left is the edge lord part of Ennis to stitch together into something resembling a plot. And it showed a lot in the part of the second season I forced myself to watch. Even the best writers can only do so much when they have to both use an established story and account for such a major change
Yeah, I’m not going to say the original was perfect, but it at least stuck to the plot of “killing all supes” and the sacrifices Billy was willing to make to ensure that happened.
I think it needed some changes for TV and to modernize it, but I think they were willing to give up the plot once they realized they had a hit.
Invincible?
That’s the one he didn’t end up screwing up.
Green hornet, the boys, preacher; those he managed to wreck the characters bad enough that or was no longer the same thing. Production values were high, but when you start fucking around with making major changes to characters, you’re changing so much that any minor changes you might have to make in an adaptation for it to work on screen turn into glaring flaws.
I tend to use the example of Butcher finding out his wife isn’t dead, and that the baby is still alive too. At the end of the first season, that happens, and it undermines Butcher’s entire character arc, his motivations, and doing that means so many events that are driven by his obsession and trauma fall flat.
There’s other examples, and I’m aware that Rogan didn’t make those decisions in isolation, there were other people involved. And, if that kind of poor decision making had been limited to one project he was involved with, or had been limited to less pivotal facets of the stories, I wouldn’t blame him as much.
But he also was doing interviews and hyping the hell out them, talking about loving the original comics, including trying to get existing fans on board while claiming the projects were going to stay true to the original. But all the projects kept in the boys and preacher were the shock value aspects, which shows a lack of understanding the source material.
For all the flaws in the source material of both those shows, they were character driven, with fairly clear plot development linked to who those characters were/are. So the versions that made it to screen are full of holes because the choices and actions are no longer believable.
It’s this whole thing lol.
Invincible lacks the production level interference of the boys or preacher, and didn’t change actual characters the way green hornet did. Which, hornet at least didn’t pretend to be the same green hornet, so it holds up better than the other two.
If he keeps staying true to the Invincible source material (2000+ comic pages) it’ll be running for like 30 seasons
I wouldn’t object to a long run like that.
Yeah, not that The Boys is super easy to adapt in the first place, but his wife being alive is such a major change for his character. It’s also a change that has clearly impacted the plot line for the show, as it’s kinda just meandering (at least as far as I’ve watched). The moment you remove that driving force, it puts a lot of pressure on the writers.
Exactly. All the screen writers have left is the edge lord part of Ennis to stitch together into something resembling a plot. And it showed a lot in the part of the second season I forced myself to watch. Even the best writers can only do so much when they have to both use an established story and account for such a major change
Yeah, I’m not going to say the original was perfect, but it at least stuck to the plot of “killing all supes” and the sacrifices Billy was willing to make to ensure that happened.
I think it needed some changes for TV and to modernize it, but I think they were willing to give up the plot once they realized they had a hit.
Ah well I only knew about invincible. But yeah it’s hard to know how much he fucked it up or how much higher ups have.
I tend to blame him mostly because he was very prominent in pre-air publicity talking about bringing stuff to live action.
I think a lot of what keeps invincible close to the comics is Kirkman tbh. He’s relatively protective of his stuff.