Im Canadian, i can’t count how many times it feels like we’ve held our nose and voted for a liberal we didn’t love, to stop a right wing nut job from being elected. I think that’s one thing I resent about my American friends right now, they couldn’t just oppose trump. This was not the election to take that stand, especially when you take a stand based on what’s going on in other countries as opposed to what’s festering in your own. You want change in the democrats, well get in there at the bottom level from school boards to local government to primaries, you can’t change it from the top. You have to do it before the federal election.
At least you have more than two options. We literally cannot vote against anything that two political parties agree on. What’s more, anti-establishment forces like Bernie Sanders and AOC are either sidelined or used to redirect voter dissatisfaction into votes for establishment candidates. So while I agree with the need to effect change locally, its doubtful that we can enact meaningful change at the federal level.
It both parties agree on an issue then why make it an election deciding issue? You won’t get anywhere. You deal with that in primaries or after you’ve elected a person who cares what voters think, unlike trump. Everyone here complains but how many people here are actually registered as democrats and taking part in voting for and assisting people like AOC get on the ballot? You can’t expect change if you’re not out there volunteering and helping the party change, you won’t change it from the outside.
You can’t complain during the federal election about things that should have been dealt with before that point. Also it’s wild to me and everyone outside the US that even now after everything, people are still insisting that Harris and Trump are the same, that’s just beyond comprehension.
Nobody “makes” it an “election deciding issue” - those are simply issues that are important to a large portion of the electorate.
If both parties refuse to address it, then those people who care a lot about it are less likely to vote, period, and the more of those issues stack, the less likely they are to vote. It’s infuriating listening to libs whinge about non voters, because they simply do not understand how much apathy their own party is creating.
Just look at the current party approval ratings and tell me that it matters to anyone that the Republicans are ‘objectively’ worse.
Fact is that when the left became team America world police. They think they own the Middle East.
I guess it’s easier I criticize and go after a country and conflict across the planet, than it is to fix your own dumpster fire of a country.
I don’t even know who or what issue you’re specifically referring to, but it doesn’t mean anything to moralize about the issues voters are responding to. It doesn’t even really matter what specific issue that does it - if voters lose faith in democracy serving their interests, they just aren’t going to bother working within that system. They’ll either become completely apathetic or become radicalized against it.
This is what a failure of democracy looks like - not a military coup or an armed rebellion, but a slow, gangrenous rotting of trust in democratic institutions.
Im Canadian, i can’t count how many times it feels like we’ve held our nose and voted for a liberal we didn’t love, to stop a right wing nut job from being elected. I think that’s one thing I resent about my American friends right now, they couldn’t just oppose trump. This was not the election to take that stand, especially when you take a stand based on what’s going on in other countries as opposed to what’s festering in your own. You want change in the democrats, well get in there at the bottom level from school boards to local government to primaries, you can’t change it from the top. You have to do it before the federal election.
At least you have more than two options. We literally cannot vote against anything that two political parties agree on. What’s more, anti-establishment forces like Bernie Sanders and AOC are either sidelined or used to redirect voter dissatisfaction into votes for establishment candidates. So while I agree with the need to effect change locally, its doubtful that we can enact meaningful change at the federal level.
It both parties agree on an issue then why make it an election deciding issue? You won’t get anywhere. You deal with that in primaries or after you’ve elected a person who cares what voters think, unlike trump. Everyone here complains but how many people here are actually registered as democrats and taking part in voting for and assisting people like AOC get on the ballot? You can’t expect change if you’re not out there volunteering and helping the party change, you won’t change it from the outside.
You can’t complain during the federal election about things that should have been dealt with before that point. Also it’s wild to me and everyone outside the US that even now after everything, people are still insisting that Harris and Trump are the same, that’s just beyond comprehension.
Nobody “makes” it an “election deciding issue” - those are simply issues that are important to a large portion of the electorate.
If both parties refuse to address it, then those people who care a lot about it are less likely to vote, period, and the more of those issues stack, the less likely they are to vote. It’s infuriating listening to libs whinge about non voters, because they simply do not understand how much apathy their own party is creating.
Just look at the current party approval ratings and tell me that it matters to anyone that the Republicans are ‘objectively’ worse.
Fact is that when the left became team America world police. They think they own the Middle East. I guess it’s easier I criticize and go after a country and conflict across the planet, than it is to fix your own dumpster fire of a country.
I don’t even know who or what issue you’re specifically referring to, but it doesn’t mean anything to moralize about the issues voters are responding to. It doesn’t even really matter what specific issue that does it - if voters lose faith in democracy serving their interests, they just aren’t going to bother working within that system. They’ll either become completely apathetic or become radicalized against it.
This is what a failure of democracy looks like - not a military coup or an armed rebellion, but a slow, gangrenous rotting of trust in democratic institutions.