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      That doesn’t make sense. They don’t have an agenda, they’re a force of nature. Except maybe one of them who clearly wasn’t a “good” guy.

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        The worms are an alien made terraforming tool. The spice is engineered to enslave mankind over and over.

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            It’s covered in the later Frank Herbert books via a trail of various, disparate clues. The worms were created by mankind to produce spice (and are possibly genetically engineered post-humans) and then seeded onto Arrakis with the intent of turning it into a dedicated spice-production planet. Spice and the worms were never natural.

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                Yes, the worms. I think Leto II even states it matter-of-fact in God Emperor, but I’d have to find the exact quote.

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                  Yes, either man made or possibly alien made. Leto II confirmed that ancient wandering humans brought the worms to Dune.

                  My theory is that human beings are used as spice spreaders by the semi sentient drug. Find spice, get addicted, then try and make more spice by taking worms (trout) to a new planet. Thus humans are unwittingly part of the reproductive cycle.

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            Did you read Chapterhouse? If not … then yes.

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    The Bene Gesserit probably come the closest to being the “good guys/girls” by the end.

    Everything they do is based on the mind numbing insanity that they have due to the fact that they can perceive every horrific action men have ever done to any woman that exists in “other memory”.

    The Bene Gesserit’s sole existence is based upon stopping the evil and violence of men no matter the cost.

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      The road to hell is paved with good intentions, but they’re going to hell regardless.

      They’ve manipulated the free will of people for centuries all in the vein of a prophecy that they cannot understand nor control. They murdered people, forced people to be raped, and did all manner of horrific things to get what they wanted done.

      Yeah… I’m gonna go ahead and say that they’re not even close to being the good guys.

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        Yes, but its Dune. The BG are as “good” as the good guys get. Their Reverend mothers are all batshit crazy. The minute they get access to other memory they experience thousands of lifetimes of rape, war, and murder. Their only goal is to stop mankind from doing it. Everything they do is based on this. You go the whole Dune series thinking the BG are up to some nefarious scheme, when they are really just trying to get men to calm their asses down.

        You could say the original Caladan members of the Atriedes Household were kind of the good guys, but the books used them as the victims. Even the Atriedes did some dark stuff, they just made it sound heroic.

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        Yes, but to them it’s like breeding wolves to make domestic dogs.

        Eugenics is getting rid of a race … the BG are trying to get rid of man’s ability to do evil.

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            In Dune? Yes, the evil and brutal houses are still there. Mostly because Jessica messed up the breeding program. She basically made an uncontrollable war god that killed trillions.