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    schizoidman@lemm.ee to Europe@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish · 2 months ago

    Trump-Putin call on war in Ukraine is another blow to Kyiv and its allies

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    Trump-Putin call on war in Ukraine is another blow to Kyiv and its allies

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    schizoidman@lemm.ee to Europe@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish · 2 months ago
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    The US president dropped his earlier insistence on an unconditional 30-day ceasefire. Read more at straitstimes.com. Read more at straitstimes.com.
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        He does that with almost everyone. he talks them up around the time he needs to talk them, he talks shit about them when he needs to posture to his base. The liberal obsession with the personalities involved while seemingly having no interest in the practicalities of even their own stated desires is utterly bizarre. Claim to support Ukraine and then demand for them to die, even when every honest analysis showed them having no shot at success from day 1.

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                Yeah based on your posting I’m not surprised you know Maidan participants and parrot their talking points. You’re describing the affects of western influence, and a common one at that, dividing a region into camps and luring one to work for the colonial powers against the regional interests. The imperialists empower some groups against others, and in this case they empowered literal white supremacists with the promise that they would become true blue europeans if they only sacrifice their neighbors, and themselves. To argue that a slavic nation is doing the right thing by getting pulled into a feud with it’s neighbors in order to join forces with the imperialist, colonial camp is again the most cracker take you can possibly have on the region.

                The only people who wanted to be free from the the USSR were literal banderite fascists who were tired of having to hide their love of pogroms. The quality of life in Ukraine and all of the former Soviet Union plummeted and has never recovered. The best comparison of the Ukrainian leadership post 2014 in the Vietnam context is to the comprador catholic french speaking Vietnamese who hoped to exploit their own relatives to live it up with genocidal fascists and colonizers

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                    https://news.gallup.com/poll/653495/half-ukrainians-quick-negotiated-end-war.aspx

                    The majority of Ukrainians want a swift, negotiated end to this war. The data typically disagrees with cracker sentiments but the crackers always act like their position is correct. This is the crux of crackerdom.

                    The Ukrainians who you are prioritizing are not only a minority of Ukrainians but they are literally neo nazis

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              Russia is breaking way more agreements than any other country.

              Yes, including the US.

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                lol

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            Ukraine’s 2014 coup d’etat brought US-backed fascists into power, which fractured the country into a civil war. The oblasts in the east and south sought independence in order to escape the ensuing ethnic persecution, but in response, fascist paramilitaries invaded the donbass and escalated it to violent ethnic cleansing. Eight years of attempted ceasefires were broken by the West[1] before Russia finally intervened.

            “8 Years Before” Donbass Documentary


            1. https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023/02/10/ukraine-zelensky-minsk-peace-russia/ ↩︎

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              You do know that you would be killed in Russia for showing your pronouns, right?

              So why do you keep simping for their propaganda?

              Ukraine has been sovereign since 1990. They are not a part of Russia anymore since then.

              So even if your fascism misinformation was correct, it still wouldn’t give Russia the right to invade.

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                  Not supporting these Alt-Right Pro-Russian conspiracy theories. War in Ukraine is not justified. You have been banned for spreading Russian propaganda and conspiracy theories.

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                during the Euromaidan revolt

                You understand the chronology.

                BTW, even Western-based polling consistently showed the clear majority of Crimeans supported the referendum.

                The war in the Donbass was also discrete from Crimea (where there was never armed conflict).

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                    Watch (at least) the first fifteen and a half minutes (the introduction).

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                Let’s be honest, they were hardly going to leave their nuclear submarine bases in the hands of a hostile government, were they…

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                    Because they weren’t based in a country trying to join NATO during those 30 years. Until the maiden coup they were very close.

                    Imagine if China managed to orchestrate a coup in Scotland. Do you expect the British wouldn’t attempt to secure their nuclear submarine bases on the coast near Glasgow?

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