I guess they really want Israel to stop!

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      Sorry bro. I guess keep calling it out. I guess it feels like not enough but that’s all you have, I guess

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          Well. I’m a New Zealander. We’re not funding the genocide here but I feel just as powerless to do anything about it. Best of luck to you

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          You’d have to renounce US citizenship, the US taxes citizens living abroad too. And after you’ve done all that, you won’t have changed the amount of money going to Israel by a penny and you will have made it slightly more likely pro-Israel-funding politicians get elected because one vote against has left.

          So if anything you’re overturning your life to make the problem worse.

          Donate to aid organizations if you want to improve the situation for Palestinians. That’s what you can do.

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    Normal people: “Israel is starting to become the aggressor”

    Christian muricans: “B-b-but the b-bible!!”

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      Yo for real, my mom is one of those Bible nuts… Can’t be reasoned with. “dead children are part of God’s plan”

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      Doing what? Showing how the Biden administration and Democratic party are perfectly happy to help Israel kill children?

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        A Republican administration would be licking Bibi’s butthole just as much, if not more. Let’s not lose sight of the fact that Israel has overstepped the “defending itself” excuse, and is committing war crimes in their attempt to destroy Hamas by exterminating and land grabbing from the Palestinians (with Lebanon next). None of this should be funded by the US.

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    Every dollar saved because of “defensive aid” gets spent on offensive weapons…

    If they had to pay for their own defense, they wouldn’t be able to start so many wars at once.

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    Under US procurement rules, every dollar is to be spent for designated material. In this case, probably for Iron Dome rocket motors which the US supplies. So far this year Hezbolah has launched 8,000 iranian rockets into Isreal, yesterday 300. To object to this is to leave the citizens of Isreal defenseless.

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      To object to this is to leave the citizens of Isreal defenseless.

      Because Israel is an impoverished nation which can’t terrorise others without the US’s funding?

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            Really? So you don’t want to leave them defenseless?

            You guys really are a bunch of cowards.

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              You’re the coward for wanting to bomb civilians in the name of defense. Don’t hide behind morals.

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                Well if you think what the Israeli do is morally wrong, then leaving them defenseless so they can be bombarded is morally wrong as well. But, don’t let me stop you from proving that logic. Please proceed.

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                  Israel is capable of defending themselves. Nobody is asking to leave them defenseless. All everyone is asking is for an end to the bombing of gaza, and now even Lebanon.

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      To object to this is to leave the citizens of Isreal defenseless.

      Israel legally can’t get any US aid or arms. Period. It’s not ambiguous and maybe if they’re left defenseless they’ll consider maybe treating the people they’re oppressing as… people.

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        So, let’s not cower in the corner…are you voting to leave the Israeli citizens defenseless?

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          Yes, exactly. Support for their defense is the same as support for their offense from a simple economic point of view. Your logic stops working when trying to wipe a small country’s worth of people out.

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                Look at the guy who wants more death of innocent people. Nothing innocent here. If figures that you would want defenseless people because you don’t have the courage to assault anyone else

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                  Israel just bombed Beruit for 11 hours straight yesterday. Thats ridiculous! And while they were bombing Beruit, people in Tel Aviv were celebrating. You don’t see any of this as an Israeli land grab??

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                  Look at the guy who wants more death of innocent people

                  Yeah, you sicken us.

                  because you don’t have the courage to assault anyone else

                  Your mask slipped there, it’s supposed to be isreals defense this is for, not the genocide of the gazans!

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          Yes. They’re currently engaged in massive war crimes, including the use of starvation as a weapon as identified by the US State Department. They are absolutely ineligible for military aid.

          But they aren’t actually defenseless. They still have the most sophisticated military in the region.

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            Then you are no better than those that murderer on Oct9ber 7th and took hostages. Congratulations

            And don’t forget karma

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              Yes, withholding weapons from people murdering civilians is directly analogous to murdering civilians yourself.

              Perfect logic. Unassailable.

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                Defenseless people where just what those Hamas wanted on Oct 7th. It seems you want the same thing.

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                  FFS thinking that Israel is commuting Genocide and that you’d rather not fund that sn’t the same thing at all as condoning Hamas’s Oct attack. You are making the most ridiculous false equivalence

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          There’s a BIG difference between defense system (iron dome) and offensive system (MOABs).

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      I don’t think it’s so clear what some of the money is going to. From the article:

      the package includes $3.5 billion for “essential wartime procurement” […] and a $5.2 billion grant for air defenses. The ministry said the $5.2 billion for air defenses “will significantly strengthen critical systems such as Iron Dome…"

      With Hezbollah launching rockets towards civilians, I am in favor of strengthening the Iron Dome. But it sounds like that $3.5 billion could be to resupply Israel for their attacks on Gaza, thereby enabling new ones.

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        If it is earmarked for purely defensive equipment, it still indirectly funds their genocide by freeing up other money for it.

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          It also emboldens their attacks because they know there’s less chance of successful counter-attack

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        "essential wartime procurement” indicates material that has previously supplied. This could be anything from bombs to training.

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        But they’re not under this allocation and you know it. Yet you are sad and need to throw red meat to anyone that will listen.

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      That’s a hilarious assumption when we’ve done this with everything up to and including 2,000 pound dumb bombs in the last year.