• ceenote@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    This post insinuates that Donald Trump would be any better on genocide. There’s the lie.

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    2 months ago

    No, we realize that the genocide under Trump would be orders of magnitude worse and that voting for someone other than Harris will guarantee a trump victory. Voting for Harris is the only effective voting strategy that minimizes genocide.

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    Republican Party: openly supports Israel and pushes for the genocide. Continues to fund Israel. States all of this stuff. Overt.

    Democratic Party: covertly continues to fund Israel, but knows that they can’t publicly say that. So they frame it with bullshit platitudes like asking Netanyahu to “reduce civilian casualties”. They’ll use the term “ceasefire” but will never push a true ceasefire. Covert.

    Obligatory notes:

    • No I’m not funded by Russia. I’m just some dude living in the US that has followed politics and police brutality stuff for ages.
    • No, I don’t support tankie shit; I follow socialist and Marxist philosophies, but authoritarianism can fuck all the way off.
    • Vote shaming is for people that can’t face reality. It’s anti-working class bullshit that the ruling class benefits from. It’s okay to criticize your party. They work for you.
    • I’m not magically endorsing Trump and the republicans because I stated some hard truths about the Democratic Party. If you think that’s the case, I implore you to put aside the kindergarten-level logic and get real.
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      2 months ago

      Which one of these options do you think would be worse for the Palestinian people? The one who very overtly wants them dead, or the one who covertly sells weapons to their murderers to feed the military industrial complex and keep deep-seated US alliances strong?

      It’s not a hard question.

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        I’m gonna wager that the result is the same at the end of the day because the same amount of bombs fall. I see a trend. “Delayed”, “temporarily delayed”, “threatened to withhold”.

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          Why? We have one person telling them “don’t do that” and another encouraging them saying “Go harder” and you really don’t think there’s gonna be a difference in the actions the IDF takes?

          Israel needs the US as an ally to continue doing what it does, and if their actions become completely indefensible to the US people (they haven’t yet; people are stupid) they will lose that alliance, so long as a Democrat is in office. Trump has ALREADY shown his willingness to ally with dictators, but his voters literally just don’t believe it. Just as they won’t believe that the “most moral army in the world” is committing genocide. Quite literally the only possible way that this situation improves for Palestine is a Kamala presidency, somebody who is actually calling for a 2 state solution and ceasefire instead of “kill those dang muslims”.

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    This is mind bogglingly dumb. You should hear what trump et al are talking about re: Israel.

    This both sides nonsense is childish at best and demonstrates an utter lack of understanding or perhaps willfull ignorance.

    Or, given your absurd postinf history, a group of folks as part of a larger operation to sow distrust in democratic institutions etc. The dumber stuff I see from you the more I lean to the latter.

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        2 months ago

        Minimizing genocide, albeit in the classical sense of the word which is to reduce the amount of. This should be an inarguably good thing so voting for the less genocide party doesn’t seem complicated.

        Now admittedly, if all the kids and keyboard warriors had been so staunchly opposed to US foreign policy, showing up to the Democratic primary would’ve been the move. Unfortunately, elder voters crush the youth despite being a smaller portion of the population so, unsurprisingly, American policy tends to reflect their views.

        But hey, bitching on the internet is surely almost as good as voting in the primaries, right? Wait…

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          The younger adults showed up to a primary and won it. But, unfortunately, the SCOTUS ruled that private organizations can nominate whomever the fuck they want regardless of the outcome of the vote. Those adults don’t vote anymore.

          It’s certainly their fault. /s

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            Uhhh, which primary are you thinking of? I could be wrong but I’d be stunned if the 25 and under crowd outvoted the over 65 in any primary in the last quarter century.

            And is the SCOTUS ruling you’re confused about Citizen’s United?

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              You moved the goal post then assumed I was an idiot. This was a time when you probably should’ve asked one good question. If you do so now perhaps another user will answer.

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          2 months ago

          Alternatively, one could disengage from the electoral system and instead focus on actions history has proven effective.

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            Lol, which wars fought by a democracy are you thinking have been ended by non democratic means?

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              The failed invasions and colonizations of Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc. were ended through brutal defeat despite decades of “democratic” support.

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                The post to which I was responding was:

                Alternatively, one could disengage from the electoral system and instead focus on actions history has proven effective.

                So, going by you Mr answer, are you suggesting the appropriate non electoral response is to go fight in Gaza?

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              The New Deal, the Civil Rights Act, Women’s Lib, cessation of hostility in Vietnam, the Clean Water Act, the ADA, Lol.

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                Ummm, all of those came about via democracy?

                Edit: Also, most of those weren’t wars…

        • III@lemmy.world
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          2 months ago

          Given Trump’s full support of genocide, I would say voting for him would be choosing genocide and not “minimizing”.

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    Everyone here missing the point that America never has been a democracy and your choice has always been an illusion. The rest of the world knows this from the USA invading every other country for freedom and democracy. Who wins doesn’t matter. The poor, the global south, minorities, women, etc. will all get screwed over unless you literally fight back.

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        This seems like pretty strong evidence for always voting against the republican party, especially considering the later actions of Carter concerning this situation.

        In essence what you’ve shown is proof that the Republican party is always worse for the world as a whole than the Democratic party. Good job!