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- globalnews@lemmy.zip
- cross-posted to:
- globalnews@lemmy.zip
Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson admitted that his government has lost control over a burgeoning wave of violence sweeping the country, amid escalating public concern.
Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson admitted that his government has lost control over a burgeoning wave of violence sweeping the country, amid escalating public concern.
The problems started with de facto housing segregation, more like at least a decade or two ago, similar overall (but less intentional) as France and its Banlieue. They built housing that was unpopular with native Swedes for the simple reason of being in the wrong place, and if you, back then, said “wait this might cause trouble maybe we should take more care to mix people up, somehow” well you didn’t because Swedes suck at complaining. Muttering at the kitchen table, sure, but publicly? Heavens, that would disturb social cohesion.
Thus the segregation issue wasn’t nipped in the bud, or at least in early flower, as many other countries did, so it festered into lack of perspective and inclusion, and then it burst and you got angry kids on the one side and the Sweden Democrats on the one side and let’s not forget the likes of Iran literally paying kids to kill people to make the situation even worse because Iran has a chip on their shoulder over Swedes being, on the international stage, arrogant, self-righteous, know-it-all swots.
Yeah this is what people often miss. Its okay and good to realize when certain groups are more violent, because that usually isnt entirely their fault, but rather the fault of the people forcing them to live in slums or otherwise bad conditions. But even just one layer of meta analysis is too much for many people i think.
You are the product of your environment. So if you are placed in an environment that has violent tendencies, there’s a good chance you end up violent as well.
Grew up like this in some godforsaken place where no one wanted to live somewhere in Europe and I’m still in therapy because of that. Had to realize that I grew up experiencing extreme verbal and physical violence. I personally grew up thinking that’s normal and everyone experiences it until I started therapy and realized how crazy the things were that I saw and experienced. When I met people of “my“ culture for the first time who just moved to my place I didn’t understand why they were so different than the people I grew up with (talking about the kids & teenagers here).
We’re damn proud of it, too! It’s just a fact. Swedes are the best, and Sweden is the best country on Earth.
/Swede
Is this really accurate? My understanding has been that Miljonprogrammet-units were not at all unpopular at the time of construction, and that their desirability with Swedes who could afford otherwise dropped at a later time, once the lack of maintenance (often due to selloffs to slumlords) caused the areas to deteriorate. Combine this with these areas basically being the only option if you are an immigrant with no means to purchase a co-op apartment or house, and this naturally leads to the type of concentrated segregation we see today.
The Miljonprogrammet was before the wave of arrivals, from the analysis I read (please don’t ask me for a source it’s been years) the initial problem areas were actually new green-field social housing projects, built way later while the older areas were run-down, but had a maybe precarious but not atrociously so socio-economic mix. The perfectly integrated immigrant kids there then found themselves de-integrated by their fellow Swedes, suddenly not part of civil society any more, as shit hit the fan among kids 20+ years younger elsewhere. And there’s only so much instilling of Swedish values you can do when the rest of your country turned your back on you, so a bunch of the older housing projects went from precarious to shit.
Anyhow the main point, the main issue, is still that Swedes, as a society, suck at complaining while considering themselves infallible.
In the 90’s when a law was passed to allow immigrants to settle wherever they wanted. Imagine moving to a new country where you don’t speak the language but there’s a place that have plenty of countrymen living. I’d settle there of course, and the segregation is a fact
You don’t necessarily need such law to avoid these issues, there’s urban planning considerations that naturally mix people up, for starters, don’t put all social housing in one place, and, if at all possible, I prefer that kind of nudging over hard laws. It’s having neither that is a recipe for disaster.
Swedes do the same - and then brag about how they in their retirement home in Spain can speak Swedish all the time with other Swedes and Swede-run stores
Indeed, which obviously add to my point about how you settle close to people that speaks the same language or have similar cultural tendencies as you