“Genocide can never be a legitimate foreign policy choice,” plaintiffs argue in case against Biden, Blinken and Austin.

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    Nevertheless, on January 31, White reluctantly dismissed the case based on the “political question” doctrine, which reserves foreign policy decisions to the political branches of government (executive and legislative), not the judiciary. That leaves the court with no jurisdiction to check the executive in this case.

    At the same time, White wrote, “it is plausible that Israel’s conduct amounts to genocide” and the evidence and testimony “indicate that the ongoing military siege in Gaza is intended to eradicate a whole people.” White exhorted the Biden administration to “examine the results of their unflagging support” of Israel.

    If Biden sets this precedent, everyone is going to be so fucking shocked when Republicans abuse it.

    The ruling was essentially the US president can violate US and International law without being held accountable and it counts as “political policy” because they’re the president.

    trump could glass an entire country he doesn’t like, and there’d be no way to hold any accountabile because we decided Joe Biden can do a genocide for some fucked up logic that Trump would do more.

    This is the danger of the only standard being the letter by someone’s name.

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      Because Americans are used to accountability, give me a fucking break

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        I love how libs have to everyone about Trumps trial every 5 minutes as if accountability is real and he justice system is functional. Then blame all on the GOP judges.

        But when Biden is complicit in literal Genocide it’s 'nah fam who cares anw accountability isn’t real the president can do whatever he wants"

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    What’s the end goal here?

    they seek a declaration from the court that defendants are violating their duty under customary international law

    Here’s the nasty little secret about “international law” that people don’t seem to understand. The most powerful countries don’t have to abide by it. There are no mechanisms for enforcement. There aren’t world police who have international jurisdiction, there aren’t world courts that have international subpoena power. So the countries at the top can enforce it when it’s in their interest, and ignore it when it’s not. Them the rules of an anarchical system, “rules for thee not for me”

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      The goal is to expose and to try every avenue available. Which should be the logic thing to do in face of a genocide.

      Maybe something comes out of it. Probably not. But in the latter case at least it is evident, that there is no moral high ground with the US and its allies. It is evident that working with these terror states creates complicity in the most heinous crimes and other countries can be held accountable for it.

      It can create an understanding for future generations that neoliberalism like it is endorsed by both US parties or so called “social democrats” or “greens” in countries like Germany is nothing but fascism with extra steps.

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        💯💯💯 If this process weren’t going on, others would come out of the woodwork going “if Biden is committing war crimes why isn’t the international community calling him out for it?”

        Maybe not the same people who are doubting this, but it would happen. When genocide is happening it’s good to do what we can rather than send thoughts and prayers.

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      Hopefully get that Genocidal Geriatric behind bars for the rest of his miserable life.

      But mostly dispel the illusion that the Democrats care about Justice no matter how hard they try to act on the Hunter Biden stuff.

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      Sometimes I do think Lemmy forgets that structured social pressure among leadership is a thing.

      Like no, BDS isn’t going to suddenly cripple the Israeli economy, nor is Biden going to suddenly get arrested for war crimes.

      But that doesn’t make these actions meaningless. Best case it compounds with other action over time into concrete progress, and worst case it at least provides conviction and encouragement to leaders trying to do the right thing.