Following the UN Security Council vote to approve a three-phase ceasefire in Gaza, U.S. officials and other international allies of Israel are cynically placing blame on Hamas for a stall in current ceasefire negotiations — even as Israel has insisted on indefinitely continuing its massacre in Gaza and Hamas has said its main request is a guarantee that Israel would actually honor the ceasefire.
But reports from a wide variety of news sources on how both Israel and Hamas are approaching the ceasefire proposal suggest that Blinken is lying about which party is accepting of the deal. Indeed, reports have found that it is actually Israel that won’t agree to the deal’s framework: an immediate ceasefire with a limited prisoner and hostage exchange, then a permanent ceasefire and withdrawal of Israeli troops from Gaza, and ultimately the reconstruction of Gaza and return of Palestinians to their homes.
Israel’s insistence on continuing its genocide has been consistent throughout the last eight months, including in reaction to the most recent ceasefire proposals of the past weeks. Officials have said Israel will only stop bombarding Gaza when they decide that Hamas has been eliminated and Palestinians there no longer pose a threat to Israel — a pledge that requires the mass slaughter of Palestinian civilians, as military procedures and Israel’s own public statements have shown.
But the main demand from Hamas appears to be straightforward, according to other officials familiar with the negotiations. Multiple outlets citing such sources have echoed what Hamas officials have said: that they are primarily concerned with getting guarantees from the U.S. and Israel that the deal will actually lead to a ceasefire and withdrawal from Gaza.
Specifically, Hamas is concerned about a lack of assurances from the current proposal about the transition between the first and second phases of the plan, Reuters reports, citing multiple sources involved with the talks. The first phase involves a six-week ceasefire, with the release of some Israeli hostages, while the second phase calls for a permanent ceasefire and Israeli troop withdrawal.
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Israel has repeatedly stated their intent to continue the war in Gaza regardless of international approval. Netanyahu, among others, has stated intent to establish a long-term/permanent security presence in Gaza.
Since Oct. 7th the Israeli military has either directly killed or provided protection to lethal settler attacks in the West Bank, resulting in over 500 deaths in a section of Occupied Palestinian Territory that theoretically isn’t at war. So there’s Israeli military presence, violence, and oppression of Palestinians even where Hamas isn’t in control.
Hamas are not good guys by any stretch, but unfortunately they are the folks bargaining for Gazans. In the face of continued Israeli aggression, disregard for international approval/law, and stated plans it’s no wonder they’re demanding that any deals have rock-solid guarantees on an enforceable timetable.
How the hell Hamas are the good guys when they’re the ones that pushed Israel for so long that it finally snapped? Have we forgotten them proudly parading a dead/unconscious girl nude around the streets.
Hamas are not the good guys by any stretch
Everything before the “but” doesn’t count, you know?
Ok troll
Cry me a river, perhaps?
when they’re the ones that pushed Israel for so long that it finally snapped?
I guess Israel has never treated Palestinians unfairly, huh?🙄
Did I say that? Just to clarify: I didn’t and I don’t think so.
I know it’s hard to grasp, but there are people who think the hamas terrorists are disgusting and at the same time the Israeli genocide is disgusting.
You know that you don’t have to support terrorists just to condemn a genocide, right?
And what do you think we should do about that? Because all your points seems to boil down to just do nothing and feel superior, the usual centrist. Funny how that just happens to support Israel’s position and enables them to continue with the genocide. Fuck off, you are a disgusting person.
At least I’m not too disgusting, otherwise I might go around and start calling people names online to feel like a big boy. I’m tired of you tools supporting terrorists and somehow pretending that’s fine because Israel is bad.
Did you misread that?
Nope.
Come on people. Stop enaging these obvious trolls/propagandists/retards. Look the way they respond, “nope” and that’s it, really? Grow up or fuck off dude, you should be ashamed of yourself. People are trying to have a conversation and people like you just come here to distract people with obvious trolling. If you are a paid propagandist you should be fired for incompetence. And if you are not you should be ashamed of yourself.
How am I supposed to answer a stupid question like that? Should I elaborate or what? They asked a stupid question, they got a stupid answer, end of story. Look through my history if you fancy so, I’m not a troll, I’m just tired of people like you. I’m all grown up, so guess I’ll have to fuck off. Not engaging with you does not sound that bad.
How israel the good guys when they imposed a blockade on gaza controlling all in and out in it and control water and electricity in gaza. When they are continuing to expends illegal settlements in west bank and when they never stopped killed palestinians even before the 7 of october?
They aren’t the good guys. Neither are the terrorists who murdered Israelis long before the current conflict. You realize you don’t have to support terrorists to be against a genocide, right?
Guys, this war is not going to end before the US election, stop pretending: bibi and his fascist buddies want to get trump into the presidency so they can do whatever they want. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905
hamas thinks that more victims means more support for them and they are never going to surrender or hand over the hostages. https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/gaza-chiefs-brutal-calculation-civilian-bloodshed-will-help-hamas-626720e7
PS: The disagreement in the negotiation is the ambiguity on the permanence of the cease fire: hamas wants guarantees that the war will not continue in the future. Biden is not in a position to give or force that guarantee if he loses. Israel does not want such a guarantee, because they think they can eventually exterminate hamas faster than the suffering of palestinians radicalizes new militants.
Netanyahu is already getting whatever he wants under Biden. Consider telling Biden to stop supporting the Genocide if you believe Netanyahu needs Trump for it.
And Hamas has already agreed to a permanent ceasefire in exchange for the hostages. It’s what this article is about.
I’m pro-palestine as fuck. But can’t we have a higher standard for sourcing please.
You take credibility advice from an organization that proudly identifies itself as right of CBS News and The Weather Channel?
Isn’t that a little bit biased?
If you think the article is lying, say so. Don’t hide behind the ‘impartiality’ grift.
Sorry what?
They rate CBS News and weather channel as “middle” and “reliable”.
Ad fontes media are by no means perfect, but they are generally the best in the field. Unlike some of their competitors they don’t rate Reuters and AP as left wing lol.
Obviously reliability and bias are subjective — as is everything in the social sciences. But that doesn’t mean attempting to quanify it is not useful. It’s subjective to quantify democracy for example but the economists democracy index is useful — or the Human development index etc.
Adfontes rates NYT, a Zionist propaganda outlet, as reliable. So your “rating bureau” is pretty worthless.
I hope this doesn’t just dissolve into hand-waving and general dismissal based on “he said / she said”. Someone call the bluff and let’s see the cards face-up.
shakes magic 8-ball:
signs point to yes
From what I am understanding a few points Hamas wants changed:
The US ceasefire proposal says israel only needs to leave the populated areas of Gaza. Meaning Blinken is saying that he wants to let israel occupy the “non populated areas” of Gaza
Hamas wants israel out of Gaza.
Israel wants to continue their Genocide if a deal has not been reached after 6 weeks.
Hamas wants a permanent ceasefire and the ceasefire should continue indefinitely after 6 weeks if there’s still discussions ongoing.
For the rebuilding of Gaza the US would contribute ~400 million dollars to rebuilding Gaza (damage estimates 30-40 Billion from UN) after giving israel 26 Billion in weapons. Did not read a comment about this from Hamas but this seems rather low.
Would still be better to agree to a temporary ceasefire whilst a permanent one is negotiated.
If there was any chance of it turning into a permanent ceasefire; yes. However israel has made it clear in no uncertain words that they will continue the Genocide after 6 weeks.
Netanyahu says the war will not end until Hamas is destroyed
Biden said Friday a peace deal would involve an initial six-week cease-fire with a partial Israeli military withdrawal, and the release of some hostages, while “a permanent end to hostilities” is negotiated through mediators.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office on Saturday dismissed any idea that Israel would agree to a permanent cease-fire before “the destruction of Hamas’ military and governing capabilities,” saying such a proposal is “a non-starter.”
Netanyahu is not the end-all-be-all of Israeli decisionmaking. Unlike Hamas, the Israeli state is a democratic institution. If an agreement is formulated between that guarantees the Israeli citizenry that Gazan islamic terrorists won’t repeat an october 7 massacre in the future, Netanyahu will not be able to stop it. Time is what is needed to create such an agreement.
However, as always, Hamas prioritizes their own interests above those of the Gazan populace. They know very well Israel can not realistucally agree to an unconditional, permanent end to hostilities, as that was the situation that led to october 7th in the first place.
At the minimum I would expect a permanent end to the war to be conditioned on Hamas releasing the remaining civilian hostages.
An Apartheid is not a democracy. But still the war cabinet fully supports what Netanyahu is saying here.
So you are correct to point out that it is not just Netanyahu but the israeli government that does not want a ceasefire.
The rest of your comment makes no sense. Consider reading my previous comment again.
An Apartheid is not a democracy.
Even if it were, those aren’t mutually exclusive. Most, if not all democracies are flawed in some fashion.
But still the war cabinet fully supports what Netanyahu is saying here.
So much so that members have been on the verge of resigning several times. You underestimate just how frail Netanyahus position really is.
So you are correct to point out that it is not just Netanyahu but the israeli government that does not want a ceasefire.
It does, just not at the terms Hamas demands.
The rest of your comment makes no sense.
I’m perfectly willing to clarify. If there is something you fail to understand, please highlight it.
No they are mutually exclusive. Annexing the West Bank without giving its inhabitants the right to vote means israel is not a democracy.
One cannot be a Democracy and an Apartheid at the same time.
I cannot respond to the rest of your comment as you appear to be describing an alternate reality which we are not present in.
Here’s what the UN says on the matter.
Israel is a democracy with well-established and independent institutions…
In the occupied Palestinian territory…
So at least in the reality where the UN exists, Israel is a democracy and the Palestinian territories are occupied (as opposed to annexed).
I’d love to hear more about the reality that “we” (you and your woefully uninformed friends I presume?) are present in.
