"FEMA also been accused by former president Donald Trump, the Republican nominee, and other Republicans of not being able to respond well enough to Helene because it had diverted disaster relief funds to help migrants.
That is not true, because while FEMA administers the Shelter and Services Program, funding for it comes from a separate pot of money funded by Congress for U.S. Customs and Border Protection.
Other false claims that have circulated include that people taking federal relief money could see their land seized or that that $750 is the most they will ever get to rebuild. FEMA has pushed back against the false claims and conspiracy theories, setting up a page on its website to combat misinformation and rumors."
Trump and Stochastic Terrorism - like peanut butter and jelly, salt and pepper, beans and rice.
Edit: I see I (and other top level comments) have the customary downvote from the silent maga that seems to pay attention to threads like these. Thank you buddy, until I see that one downvote show up with no counterargument to be seen I feel like my comments about Trump aren’t complete.
Southern states and the need to protect people who rightfully shouldn’t need protection. Really hope the national guard is the next stage of this. It should be reinforced that this behavior is not to be tolerated.
bread and butter
Flies and shit
If you were wondering what societal collapse looks like, this is it.
Sadly I wasn’t wondering. Just watching the country implode very quickly, only for an equally horrifying explosion coming all too soon.
There will be mass violence if Trump wins or loses. Far more manageable if the latter, but democrats are masters of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Can you please explain? I’m interested
Not OP, but I guess it shows the general loss of confidence in institutions in the US. When people wanna shoot their guns at disaster relief organizations, it indicates they don’t trust anything from the government, and the feeling is more than just skepticism, it’s heinous.
FEMA […] been accused […] of not being able to respond well enough to Helene because it had diverted disaster relief funds to help migrants
so if they are dead they will surely do a better job?
the article isn’t really getting into the conspiracy theories that are actually causing this.
it’s more qanon style “fema is the secret police enforcement arm of the deep state coming to do their dark bidding on you the one time you’re vulnerable and no one will see or believe you”
that’s what they believe that makes them want to kill them. generally speaking.
Was it not every single Florida Republican who voted no on FEMA relief? 😅
Safe bet!
The national guard “came across” these fuckwits. Why not do something about it?
Mainly because after the pr disasters of ruby ridge and then Waco, right winged militia’s grew in numbers, basically using the events as marketing materials.
Right winged grifters love it when they are confronted, it fulfills all their fantasies about the underdog standing up to authority, and proves in their minds that they were correct the whole time.
Since the American fascist movements have legitimized news organizations that will echo their claims, it’s extremely hard to actually crack down on them without turning them into Martyrs.
The end result has been the federal government putting right winged extremists on the back burner for the last 30 years, allowing them to fester into the infection we know and hate today.
I think now that we’ve successfully prosecuted the Jan. 6th domestic terrorists, we can put this notion to rest. We absolutely can and should go after these nutjobs threatening federal workers.
I think now that we’ve successfully prosecuted the Jan. 6th domestic terrorists, we can put this notion to rest.
Except that the feds had their kiddy gloves on for sentencing… Out of the thousands of people there only a small percentage have caught charges that drastically change their lives, and even then not to the point of treason nor terrorism charges.
We absolutely can and should go after these nutjobs threatening federal workers.
I agree, but I don’t see it happening any time soon. Not when the person who led them is still considered appropriate for the highest position in the land to half of the electorate.
While there have been successful prosecutions of the J6 terrorist, there is still an ongoing campaign to try to whitewash J6 as peaceful tourists that have been unfairly singled out due to their political affiliation. So while I agree, we do need to go after these people we there also needs to be a push to stop the gaslighting that happens
Headlines about USA that wouldn’t have been possible when I was a child.
I don’t know your age but chances are you were just not familiar with right wing FEMA conspiracies, because they’re ancient.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FEMA_camps_conspiracy_theory
Wall of text, but a good read if you have the time.
"One of the first known references to FEMA concentration camps comes from a newsletter issued by the Posse Comitatus organization in 1982, with the warning that “hardcore patriots” were to be detained in them.[2] The prevalence of the conspiracy theory increased in line with the rise of the militia movement in the 1990s.[2] The conspiracy was part of the rhetoric of the now largely disbanded Militia of Montana. The self-styled congressional analyst David Fletcher was their spokesman and brought it up in meetings, even pointing out “United Nations Reserves” that the government was building camps for in the Northern Cascades.[13]
A supposed FEMA camp was featured in Linda Thompson’s 1994 film America Under Siege; in reality, the “FEMA camp” was an Amtrak repair facility.[14][15] She accused the government of using “black helicopters” against patriots to prevent them from interfering with plans to establish a New World Order.[16][17][18] Following the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the conspiracy theory was discussed by the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Domestic Terrorism.[9] The theory’s inclusion in the plot of the 1998 X-Files movie showed its growing reach.[1]
Fears of FEMA declined in the early 2000s as foreign terrorists were perceived as the major threat but the late-2000s recession and the election of Barack Obama renewed opposition among conservatives and libertarians to the federal government. Obama’s election also enabled the theory to reach more mainstream right-wing circles whereas it had previously been confined to the fringes. There was a resurgence in the militia movement, and with it a resurgence of the FEMA camps conspiracy theory[9] and a corresponding boom in the “prepper” economy.[19] Reader emails published by the magazine National Review have also promoted the theory.[3]
Congresswoman Michele Bachmann alluded to the theory while in office,[20] as have other Republican Party politicians.[21] In December 2011 Camille Marino of the animal liberation website Negotiation is Over posted an alert on her website titled “Military Now Recruiting Guards for FEMA Domestic Detainment/Internment Camps” containing the usual warnings about the end of civil liberties and the announcement that the U.S. Army is looking for “a Few Good Totalitarians” to herd dissenters into camps.[22]
In 2015, fears of the FEMA roundup beginning surfaced with the announcement of a domestic military training operation called Jade Helm 15. County and state officials in Texas denounced the fears[23] and the exercise was completed with no one being placed into an internment camp.[24] Also in 2015, additional speculation about the theory was stoked by retired general Wesley Clark when he called for World War II-style internment camps to be revived to combat Muslim extremism. He stated, “If these people are radicalized and they do not support the United States and they’re disloyal to the United States as a matter of principle, fine, that’s their right. It’s our right and our obligation to segregate them from the normal community for the duration of the conflict.”[25]
According to the Las Vegas Police Department and witnesses in the weeks leading up to the 2017 Las Vegas shooting, gunman Stephen Paddock reportedly espoused right-wing anti-government and conspiratorial views, including FEMA conspiracies. He reportedly told a friend that “sometimes, sacrifices have to be made” in order to encourage the American public to arm themselves.[26][27]
Conspiracy theorists have used the actual internment of Japanese Americans during World War II in specifically constructed camps as evidence that such a scenario has historic precedent.[2] Proponents have cited a contingency plan (Rex 84) drafted in part by U.S. Marine Colonel Oliver North calling for the suspension of the Constitution and the detainment of citizens in the event of a national crisis.[2] This was aimed at left-wing activists, not the libertarians and right-wingers generally associated with FEMA theories.[28] This has been linked to a 1970 document by Louis Giuffrida (years later, the director of FEMA) calling for the establishment of martial law in the event of an uprising by African American militants and the internment of millions of African Americans.[2]
Alex Jones has promoted conspiracy theories about FEMA on InfoWars. In 2010, Jones produced and directed Police State 4: The Rise of FEMA, a film he claimed “conclusively proves the existence of a secret network of FEMA camps” and that “The military-industrial complex is transforming our once free nation into a giant prison camp.” In 2012, Jones linked to a story titled “List of All FEMA Concentration Camps in America Revealed” from the German UFO conspiracy website Disclose.tv.[29]"
Mfw my sophomore year in HS is “ancient”
Try this on, I had my daughter at the pool yesterday and she wandered off a bit, a lady saw her wander off from me and told her to go back with her “Papa”.
I’m 40, lol.
Papa is father for a lot of folks.
Paw paw kn the other hand…
I haven’t been exposed to that. Papa is reserved for grandfather by most folks in my region.
This is the world of a maga mental invalid. A world of endless fear and abuse. Tyranny.
“We must hurt people, because they are helping the wrong people”
“We must hurt people, because they are helping
the wrongbrown people”Of course they’ll never say it out loud.
Trump has now successfully sown distrust in FEMA.
FEMA. An agency created to help people recover from natural disasters.
We can put that right up on the list with news organizations, the Department of Education, our election system, and children’s hospitals.
The damage that Trump has done to this country will take decades to recover from. If we ever can. You figure, with the 3 stooges on the bench willing to carry on Trump’s legacy, we’re looking at 40 years minimum of lingering Trump fuckery.
And there’s a very good chance he’ll become President again. At that point, we as a country deserve whatever we get.
As usual, Trump only amplifies something that was floating around for decades. FEMA has long been the target of conspiracy theories. You can get a taste of it from the old X-Files movie. Being a federal department that gets to do extraordinary things in emergencies tends to make it a target.
I somewhat disagree with this.
The conspiracy theories that have been floating around were the typically outlandish and unrealistic conspiracy theories of the time. You know, like the moon landing being fake. And with social media being nonexistent and the conspiracy theories being so batshit crazy, it was near impossible for these theories to gain any kind of critical mass or be taken seriously.
And Trump doesn’t amplify existing things. He creates conspiracy theories around literally everything and just hopes some of them stick. Mostly around migrants. Or he ties them back to migrants.
FEMA? Fema can’t help you because they gave all their money to the migrants. Child Care? Gas? Those would plummet in price if we just got rid of all the migrants, if you believe what Trump said at the debate. 20,000 Hatians in Ohio? If we were to just get rid of them, it would solve whatever problems your state is having too! Judges in his trials can’t be impartial because they have Mexican heritage.
The real problem is that there are far more openly racist people in our country than we were willing to admit to. We all have that creepy Uncle Joe in our family that only comes around for holidays, looks at his niece just a little too long, and spends half the day spouting racist bullshit, but never really considered just how many Uncle Joes there are in this country. Trump realized that and has simply been tapping into their racism ever since. That’s all it is. Trump has simply coralled the most gullible and racist into one huge voting bloc, and we severely underestimated how big that bloc could get.
And now it’s too late. There are enough of them in this country where they are openly embracing the racism and saying “Yeah, we want it this way.” And theree may be enough of them to get what they want.
The difference is back then, it was relegated to the insane fringe. The premise of the X-Files is “what if all those farfetched conspiracy theories were true”, evil FEMA was in the same category as cryptids and alien abduction. Now it’s part of the platform of the second largest political party in the country. It’s roughly equivalent to campaigning on killing Bigfoot, if not worse because at least the latter is harmless.
At that point, we as a country deserve whatever we get.
I’m not saying this isn’t true, just please don’t drag the rest of the world with you. Psychos in the world are taking notes, if Trump wins they’ll follow his lead.
TBF, the crazies have been talking about deranged things in relation to FEMA for decades. Like everything else, dementia donnie did not build that, he just walked in the front door and put his name on this shit.
For instance, the hatriot radio types were talking about Clinton’s “FEMA death camps” way back in the 90s.
Alright bros, have fun with no hurricane support!
Alternatively anyone caught threatening a FEMA agent should be captured and released into the hurricane by plane with no parachute
If I may make a suggestion - with a parachute.
With no parachute they just go down for a couple minutes. With a parachute they go up and down for hours, in the middle of a hurricane.
Like an army man falling in front of a fan
Threatening a federal official is already a federal crime.
But it’s Republicans doing it so the FBI doesn’t give a shit. Hell there are probably FBI members in the militia (zero doubt local law enforcement is involved).
People with political incentive to make the government to look bad are actively trying to make the government helpful response worse. I hope people are seeing how dangerous Trump and these right wing nutjobs are to normal people and normal Republicans
Honestly, states like Florida should be ineligible for federal aid across the board
Then we would need a border wall to keep Repubs out of good states. Repubs come swarming across borders in massive numbers and vote for the very same policies that made their own states fail.
The problem is Georgia and Louisiana are just as bad…
Georgia has been turning around in recent years.
Also, I saw fewer confederate battle flags in Atlanta than I did in Indianapolis. Fuck Indianapolis.
It’s “The Running Man” plot! They are just going to AI videos to fit a narrative, and start sending people to jail, or worse…
Life is the crummiest book I ever read
There isn’t a hook
Just a lot of cheap shots
Pictures to shock
And characters an amateur would never dream up
Sometimes, truth is stranger than fiction.
If I could fly
up above the world
Would I see a bunch of living dots
Spell out the word: stupidity
The red state governors are just mad because they can’t divert the FEMA funds directly into their own causes. (and pockets).
