Trump wants to nuke Gaza, pave over the remains and build one of his shitty hotels there. He would also deport Muslims and send those who don’t leave to internment camps. Explain to me how both sides are the same.
Trump’s vile ideas are monstrous, no doubt, but let’s not pretend the Democrats are clean when they continue to fund and support military actions that devastate lives in Gaza and beyond.
Both sides perpetuate violence and oppression in their own ways—whether it’s through blatant aggression or complicit support.
The difference lies in the packaging, not the substance.
It’s my opinion that it really is the same system, two faces, both indifferent to the real suffering they cause.
You disagree, and I respect your right to do that. As I’m sure you respect mine.
Who says the Dems are clean? Most leftists I know openly acknowledge she’s so far from perfect but they’d still take her over Trump.
Are you really telling me Trump and Harris are the exact same? Like give me a break. Why is Harris 3x more popular than Trump among Muslim voters?
Who says the Dems are clean?
Not me.
Are you really telling me Trump and Harris are the exact same?
Both sides perpetuate violence and oppression in their own ways—whether it’s through blatant aggression or complicit support.
Why is Harris 3x more popular than Trump among Muslim voters?
Everyone has their own opinions. I support and respect people’s right to have a different opinion than me. Just as you respect and support my right to my own opinions. Yes?
The issue is much, much larger than what Israel is doing to Gaza.
If you fail to vote for Harris, you allow Trump to win.
If Trump wins:
- He will encourage Israel to finish the genocide more quickly.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d
- He will take Israel’s policy of illegally invading Lebanon as a “security zone” and apply it to Mexico:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern_Lebanon
- He will set up internment camps in the United States for immigrants and others classed as “undesirable”:
- He will purge the government of any and all opposition:
- He wants to arrest journalists:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/06/politics/kash-patel-trump-administration/index.html
To be clear here, if Harris does not win, Trump will. Those are your two choices. You can choose to vote for Harris or you court disaster. There is no viable 3rd choice.
There is no viable 3rd choice.
I’m choosing 3rd party anyway. Saying there’s no viable third choice is just a way to keep the broken system intact.
The only reason a third choice isn’t viable is because we’ve been conditioned to believe it can’t be, and that’s exactly what the duopoly wants us to think.
Real change happens when we stop accepting the status quo and start supporting alternatives that challenge the power structure.
Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body. If the forces of democracy take decisive, terroristic action against the reaction from the very beginning, the reactionary influence in the election will already have been destroyed.
Karl Marx 1850
Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body.
YES!!!
That is fucking beautiful. And it’s incredible to see that what was true in 1850 is still just as true today. Thank you for that! Love it.
I’m gonna have to start using parts of that quote in some of my replies to the Lemmy bullies and people who are spreading discontent under the guise of just helping out their party, but who are really just protecting their capitalistic advantages under a corrupt duopoly.
Many on Lemmy seem to not don’t want change or are they are afraid to speak up for it. Because of Republican AND Democrat bullies.
W E B DeBois in 1956
In 1956, I shall not go to the polls. I have not registered. I believe that democracy has so far disappeared in the United States that no “two evils” exist. There is but one evil party with two names, and it will be elected despite all I can do or say. There is no third party. On the Presidential ballot in a few states (seventeen in 1952), a “Socialist” Party will appear. Few will hear its appeal because it will have almost no opportunity to take part in the campaign and explain its platform. If a voter organizes or advocates a real third-party movement, he may be accused of seeking to overthrow this government by “force and violence.” Anything he advocates by way of significant reform will be called “Communist” and will of necessity be Communist in the sense that it must advocate such things as government ownership of the means of production; government in business; the limitation of private profit; social medicine, government housing and federal aid to education; the total abolition of race bias; and the welfare state. These things are on every Communist program; these things are the aim of socialism. Any American who advocates them today, no matter how sincerely, stands in danger of losing his job, surrendering his social status and perhaps landing in jail. The witnesses against him may be liars or insane or criminals. These witnesses need give no proof for their charges and may not even be known or appear in person. They may be in the pay of the United States Government. A.D.A.'s and “Liberals” are not third parties; they seek to act as tails to kites. But since the kites are self-propelled and radar-controlled, tails are quite superfluous and rather silly.
They use the same tactics for decades and liberals fall for them every single time
Wow, that’s a fantastic read! I might have to borrow some of those words to fuel my fight against the capitalist barrage I face daily on here, just because I refuse to support the duopoly that so many are clinging to.
I’m pretty sure Marx lived in a country with a parliamentary system. Not a two-party, first past the post system.
If you don’t understand what the difference is with regards to election outcomes, then I don’t know what to tell you.
It’s absurd to pretend that the situation he’s referring to is anything close to what’s happening now.
It’s true that Marx lived in a different political system, but the soul of his critique goes beyond the specifics of electoral structures.
Marx’s analysis of class struggle and the concentration of power and wealth in the hands of a few is pretty much as relevant today as it was back then, regardless of whether we’re talking about a parliamentary system or a two-party, first-past-the-post system.
Exploitation of the working class and the manipulation of political systems to serve the interests of the ruling class is still very very much present in our current system.
To dismiss Marx’s ideas because the electoral mechanics are different misses the bigger point.
No matter the system, those in power will often rig it to maintain their dominance and suppress genuine alternatives that threaten the status quo.
Harris and Stein tied at 29%, with 11% of the cohort’s support going to Donald Trump
She’s tied…for first place among Muslim voters. And Trump is getting almost 2/3rds less.
Yeah if anything the story is stein is stomping Trump
And yet many Lemmys will just downvote anyway cuz, well, “third party bad.”
I feel like you don’t understand what the person you’re responding to is saying.
I understood perfectly. And I posted my own opinion. To this public opinion community. As I am allowed to.
another winning post from the downvote king.
another winning post from the downvote king.
So I’ll keep posting. Thanks!
More like the bad faith actor king. Good job helping Republicans. You can feign ignorance but the proof is in the pudding.
More like the bad faith actor king. Good job helping Republicans. You can feign ignorance but the proof is in the pudding.
Ah, the old accusation of bad faith—a tired tactic used by those who can’t stand to see the working class rise up against the status quo.
You call me the “bad faith actor king,” but I say it’s those who cling to a broken system who are acting in bad faith.
I’m not here to play by the rules set by the very forces that oppress us; I’m here to shatter those chains and expose the truth.
If standing up for workers’ rights and challenging the duopoly makes me a threat to your cozy alliance with the establishment, then I wear your insults like armor.
The proof isn’t in the pudding, my friend—it’s in the political revolution that’s building momentum. It might not happen this election or the next, but rest assured, people are growing weary of the duopoly. We won’t be bullied into submission, and we won’t stop fighting for true change.
And we’re not voting for your candidate. Or for the republicans.
More like the bad faith actor king. Good job helping Republicans. You can feign ignorance but the proof is in the pudding.
Yeah? If I was helping the Republicans, I’d vote for them. How do you think I’m helping Republicans? On fucking Lemmy which practically worships democrat party or is working extra hard to keep the current broken duopoly in place?
Or wait, is it the almost 200 anti-Republican/pro-socialist posts and comments I’ve made to my c/socialist community? Because Republicans are sooooooooo socialist.
Wait, is it the 16 non-republican Lemmy communities that I’ve started and mod that are also non-republican? Most of which aren’t even political. Because Republicans are sooooooo pro-trans and pro-education.
Wait, is it the over 641 non-republican posts I’ve made? Or is it the 1,000+ anti-republican comments I’ve made arguing with pro-duopoly people such as yourself?
Wait, is it the fact that I actually am a registered socialist and donate money to the socialist parties? Cuz again, Republicans or soooooo socialist.
I’m starting to doubt your good intentions here. You seem pretty anti-democratic in your comments.
another winning post from the downvote king.
If speaking truth to power and challenging the status quo makes me the “downvote king,” then I gladly accept the crown.
Brothers and sisters who fear the kind of bullying I face, wear your downvotes like a badge of honor, just as I do. Every downvote is a sign that the capitalist defenders are feeling the pressure of our righteous cause—and that, my friends, is how you know we’re on the right path.
